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New Mod, new Rocker.

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Did you see what I did there with the thread title...... Genius.

I've now accumulated the components, so fitting these Corse parts will be my next chassis mod. I seem to have gone a bit eccentric lately what with the Metmachex swinging arm adjusters and now on the rocker too. IMG_20250505_114955.webpIMG_20250505_113929.webp
 
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Yes they are adjustable via the eccentric mounts, mind you adjustment of ride height will inevitably alter the rockers geometry too (ie the ratio between the lengths of the two ends), presumably not very significant?!
A question for anyone that knows, what is the standard way to have the eccentric set, ie with the mounting bolt above or below the center line?
 
I can't comment regarding the rocker but back in the 80's I had a Metmachex swingarm on my Suzuki GS1000 and I preferred the axle at the bottom of the eccentric adjusters for more ground clearance and sharper steering, I assume that it would have a similar effect on the rocker.
 
Welcome to a world of madness if you want to figure out the variables in adjustments to the suspension.
Without any adjustment to the shock top mount and just using rose joint adjustment, I tried to work out exactly what was going on when the hoop length changed.
I had found that I needed to dial in more rebound damping after one adjustment to the hoop as it was topping out when braking into a corner.
The adjustment also affects the sag and so I assumed that the preload was altered when the hoop was adjusted.
Drawing it out didn't really help me to understand any better. So I got a bit obsessed with it and made an accurate model of all the moving and fixed parts to full size, out of bits of mdf.
All the pivot points were accurately juxtaposed.
I provided adjustment to the hoop length and the ability to have the shock telescopic or fixed.
I played with it for hours and came to no proper understanding of all the variables in the geometry and dynamics, except for taking away that you can't change just one thing without altering other parameters. My model didn't even take into account spring rates or damper settings.
Adding an adjustable shock top position which alters shock length and lever moment from rocker pivot to shock top will just throw a massive spanner into the already mind numbing equation.

It did my head in so much that I gave the model to Utopia in the hope that I wouldn't find him one day, wide eyed, rocking in his chair, staring at it!
I'm sure he'd share it with you if you wanted?

My advice is to circumvent the madness and not try to understand it, just be guided by intuition and patience with setting it up.
Get your ride height, then set the sags and then the damping, be prepared to check all those again if you adjust anything.

Good luck. Sounds like fun.. 🤪
 
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Yes they are adjustable via the eccentric mounts, mind you adjustment of ride height will inevitably alter the rockers geometry too (ie the ratio between the lengths of the two ends), presumably not very significant?!
A question for anyone that knows, what is the standard way to have the eccentric set, ie with the mounting bolt above or below the center line?

I've got this rocker on mine, not quite sure what you mean re. the bolt above or below but mine is on the highest of the settings which corresponds (roughly) with the original style rocker plus the 25mm hoop extenders that I was previously using.

There is then obviously some adjustment from the rod ends but, be aware that the corse hoop uses a finer pitch thread for the ends and, as such replacements are difficult to find. I wanted stainless/teflon versions but haven't managed to track any down with the fine pitch threads so am still using the originals.
 
Unobtainium, thanks Rob I was wondering what it was made of.

Dukedesmo, thanks for sharing your experience. What I was trying to describe is the position of the adjusters in the rocker, because as you rotate them the bolt hole is at the top midway forward/back, halfway down & forward, at the bottom midway, halfway down & back etc. So when you say you have your's on the highest setting, do you mean with the bolt in the highest position (giving the lowest ride height) or visa versa?
 
Highest ride height so, without looking at the bike, presumably in the lowest position.

Whilst I gained an adjustable ride height by fitting this, I have it set pretty much as it was previously so, given that I've not adjusted it since (feels good so why change it) the only real gain was the bling factor.

That said, whilst I am a fan of function over form, it's also nice to have the form, even if it can't be seen without taking the bike apart... (y)

Some pics if they're of any interest;

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Many moons ago I considered one of these rockers but at the time my interest was mainly about being able to adjust the rear suspension to cope with the occasional pillion passenger (yes, a bit odd maybe but there it is).
I recall that my thinking was that it gave me a means of altering the spring rate, but the logic behind that thinking has long since faded and I can no longer say whether it will provide this.
You may like to ponder it though.
In the end I settled for a remote preload adjuster instead, which doesn't theoretically give such an appropriate adjustment as a spring rate adjuster would but in practice has proven itself to be of great real-world value. This has enabled me to quickly and easily restore sharp handling not just when carrying a pillion but also when loaded up with camping gear and suchlike and was particularly useful on a couple of recent trips to the TT. One of my best mods in fact, second only to the superlight wheels.
Sorry for the slight diversion.
 
Ah yes as fitted to the 888 SP's and Corsas ut only for a very short period, quite tricky to set correctly, need to be very aware of how much ride hide you have adjusted on the hoop, somewhere between notch 5-8 seems about right with std ride height setting, but getting a it more adventurous will scare the crap out of you and have the bike tipping in so quickly you'll think your about to fall off, takes some getting used to on more race style settings

I believe there is a UK company that remanufactures them still
 
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RedFox still sell these....

Tempting but very expensive for some hidden bling!
Do you mean Red Fox in Chichester ?
I had a look on their website just out of curiosity as to the price (and maybe the quality) but I couldn't find anything.
Even simplifying my search to just "Ducati" produced only fender extenders.
Although I did decline their cookies .. maybe that scuppered my search.
 
Red Fox racing are in Belgium, (also proud owners of factory prototype 3 valve air cooled cylinder heads). Andy Molnar (IoM) is the manufacturer of the repro rockers.
 
Do you mean Red Fox in Chichester ?
I had a look on their website just out of curiosity as to the price (and maybe the quality) but I couldn't find anything.
Even simplifying my search to just "Ducati" produced only fender extenders.
Although I did decline their cookies .. maybe that scuppered my search.
No the ones from the land of great beer and handmade chocolate ;)
 
Didnt know someone else was making them as the last time I saw any for sale as via RF a year or so back
 
I'm thinking RF get their rockers from Andy Molnar, their photos of the rocker look the same. Molnar remanufacture all sorts, Manx & G50 engines, Ducati rear cylinder heads with forward facing exhausts (that I think can be used on 900 engines). Both companies are associated with racing air cooled Ducati's, world's a small place etc so they will know each other.
 
I'm thinking RF get their rockers from Andy Molnar, their photos of the rocker look the same. Molnar remanufacture all sorts, Manx & G50 engines, Ducati rear cylinder heads with forward facing exhausts (that I think can be used on 900 engines). Both companies are associated with racing air cooled Ducati's, world's a small place etc so they will know each other.
God just as I'm sorting the floating rear calliper bracket I picked up here I know where to buy them.... ;)


Not currently listed but shown on the front page for Ducati parts
 
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God just as I'm sorting the floating rear calliper bracket I picked up here I know where to buy them.... ;)


Not currently listed but shown on the front page for Ducati parts
Interesting, shows the rocker but not the hoop which is different from the standard, I wonder if they offer the whole kit?

Not that I'm looking for it as I already have this rocker but I'd be interested in a set of new rose joints as mine are not as nice as I'd like but, as I mentioned above, I've not found them with the correct fine-pitch thread thread.
 
Interesting, shows the rocker but not the hoop which is different from the standard, I wonder if they offer the whole kit?

Not that I'm looking for it as I already have this rocker but I'd be interested in a set of new rose joints as mine are not as nice as I'd like but, as I mentioned above, I've not found them with the correct fine-pitch thread thread.
Mine came from McGill Motorsports from memory
 
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