Alternative headlamps... - Page 4

Dirty · 23-01-2017, 09:42 PM

My buddy Delrin says

You lot are talking a load of Polyoxymethylene!

Dukedesmo · 23-01-2017, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by utopia

I seem to remember that Delrin is sometimes used to machine gears from ....

Correct, I used to supply industrial machinery that used delrin drive gears in a bevel setup where the larger delrin gear was driven by a smaller steel gear.

This was a development of an age-old tradition of using 2 steel gears and was a big improvement as it avoided both the wear and noise of steel on steel plus didn't require any specific lubrication.

Dukedesmo · 23-01-2017, 09:52 PM

Also, I recently bought a 'throttle tamer' to increase the throttle movement on my Monster. This consisted of an aluminium throttle cam/tube/cable fitment with a delrin lining to replace the original (916) throttle assembly.

The instructions specifically state that it is self-lubricating so doesn't need any oil.

http://www.g2ergo.com/store/g2-stree...throttle-tube/

Dukedesmo · 23-01-2017, 09:52 PM

Nice work Gazza, BTW.

Mr Gazza · 23-01-2017, 10:16 PM

Thanks Tim.

I've been roughly pricing materials up.
Aluminium is way the most expensive. (you need to be able to swing 191mm diameter Jeff) followed by Delrin, which seems to be very difficult to obtain in sheets which divide into 200mm squares for the blanks.
Then there is a polypropylene type sheet. That would seem equally difficult to machine as Delrin. My experience with thermo-plastics is that they can very easily weld themselves back together behind the cut, although I believe that good results can be had with slower cutter speeds and single flute bits... Still a bit of an unknown as far as working these plastics are concerned?

Tricoya is still coming out on top for price and workability. Finishing it is remarkably easy with paint, and I think a better finish is achieved compared to what I could machine onto the plastics. Unfortunately I would have to buy enough Tricoya to make 72 adaptors and at the moment my arm is not exactly being bitten off for the 3 that I have available @£5 each.
I think that until the Carbon fibre ones get off the ground that Tricoya is the ideal material.
If we could just stop thinking of it as MDF and think of it more in terms of the Titanium of the woodwork world... It really is a different animal.

By the way Jeff I had a slight dyslexic moment when I glanced at the name cast on the lens of the new light. It says AUTOPAL.... Maybe the way the light caught it , but I was sure it said UTOPIA...

jerry · 24-01-2017, 11:08 AM

I will buy one off you when available ,,,

Mr Gazza · 24-01-2017, 04:33 PM

They are available now Jerry.
Will drop you a PM.

jerry · 24-01-2017, 07:57 PM

https://www.firstfour.co.uk/wipac-7c...sidelight.html

its the latest crystal beam wipac upgrade for landrovers looks really similar to suzuki SV 1100 lamp

i will probably use thsi one with a PIAA or phillips extreme H4 bulb and relays fpr upgraded cables and your kit Gazza ????

Darren69 · 24-01-2017, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty

My buddy Delrin says

You lot are talking a load of Polyoxymethylene!

And another thing, I see Dirty has finally succumb and revealed his tinder portrait as his UKMOC profile pic too!

Darren69 · 24-01-2017, 08:17 PM

Gary, I've just sent you a long PM which I'm not sure all sent. So apologies if you didn't get it all.

jerry · 24-01-2017, 08:25 PM

also Cibie H180 with side light for about £40 will fit gazzas upgrade kit

Mr Gazza · 24-01-2017, 08:40 PM

Yep. I got your interesting PM Darren, thanks.

Thanks Jerry for posting up interesting ideas for lamp units.

I went for this, just for a starting point.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2816962742...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

It came with 55/60 xenon bulbs, so I thought it was worth a punt.
The light is White, which is an immediate improvement. I think it has better penetration on main. The dip has a worrying pale area in the close nearside, but a useful looking bright patch in the hedge about 15-20 yards away. Maybe a set up with the mot testers beam machine would help?
I have only pushed the bike out and shone it down the road so far as it's too cold for a ride by far, so I am waiting for a night time temp above at least 2C for a proper try out.

Dukedesmo · 25-01-2017, 12:55 PM

Be interesting to see how the light performs as I'm on the lookout for an improvement, although my Monster doesn't actually have a Monster headlight so it might not apply in my case.

I do have a Monster headlight on my Guzzi though...

Dirty · 25-01-2017, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darren69

And another thing, I see Dirty has finally succumb and revealed his tinder portrait as his UKMOC profile pic too!

Ha ha no that's my buddy Paco. I'm not sure if he is shy or his keyboard has broken but I things for sure, he's so ugly the last time he stuck his head out of a car window he got arrested for mooning and he once made an onion cry!

jerry · 25-01-2017, 04:50 PM

im looking for a light that dips a quality 20m in front but bungs a searchlight beam 80m=100m ahead , the SV one on my M750 doea that nicely with a phillips extreme but all other i have tried on my S4 experiments are fails including standard bosch with phhillips xtreme , and some chinky crystal ones

23-01-2017, 09:42 PM	#46
Dirty Bockloks Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: London Bike: No Bike Yet! Posts: 4,601	My buddy Delrin says You lot are talking a load of Polyoxymethylene! __________________ Wounds heal, chicks dig scars, glory lasts forever Beware of eBay

23-01-2017, 09:52 PM	#48
Dukedesmo Registered User Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Leics Bike: M900 Posts: 2,842	Also, I recently bought a 'throttle tamer' to increase the throttle movement on my Monster. This consisted of an aluminium throttle cam/tube/cable fitment with a delrin lining to replace the original (916) throttle assembly. The instructions specifically state that it is self-lubricating so doesn't need any oil. http://www.g2ergo.com/store/g2-stree...throttle-tube/ __________________ M900, 916, LeMans II.

23-01-2017, 09:52 PM	#49
Dukedesmo Registered User Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Leics Bike: M900 Posts: 2,842	Nice work Gazza, BTW. __________________ M900, 916, LeMans II.

23-01-2017, 10:16 PM	#50
Mr Gazza Lord of the Rings Join Date: May 2013 Location: Norwich Bike: M900sie Posts: 5,802	Thanks Tim. I've been roughly pricing materials up. Aluminium is way the most expensive. (you need to be able to swing 191mm diameter Jeff) followed by Delrin, which seems to be very difficult to obtain in sheets which divide into 200mm squares for the blanks. Then there is a polypropylene type sheet. That would seem equally difficult to machine as Delrin. My experience with thermo-plastics is that they can very easily weld themselves back together behind the cut, although I believe that good results can be had with slower cutter speeds and single flute bits... Still a bit of an unknown as far as working these plastics are concerned? Tricoya is still coming out on top for price and workability. Finishing it is remarkably easy with paint, and I think a better finish is achieved compared to what I could machine onto the plastics. Unfortunately I would have to buy enough Tricoya to make 72 adaptors and at the moment my arm is not exactly being bitten off for the 3 that I have available @£5 each. I think that until the Carbon fibre ones get off the ground that Tricoya is the ideal material. If we could just stop thinking of it as MDF and think of it more in terms of the Titanium of the woodwork world... It really is a different animal. By the way Jeff I had a slight dyslexic moment when I glanced at the name cast on the lens of the new light. It says AUTOPAL.... Maybe the way the light caught it , but I was sure it said UTOPIA... __________________

24-01-2017, 11:08 AM	#51
jerry Old Git Join Date: May 2006 Location: Cricklade Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 2,813	I will buy one off you when available ,,, __________________ MONSTERMAN

24-01-2017, 04:33 PM	#52
Mr Gazza Lord of the Rings Join Date: May 2013 Location: Norwich Bike: M900sie Posts: 5,802	They are available now Jerry. Will drop you a PM. __________________

24-01-2017, 07:57 PM	#53
jerry Old Git Join Date: May 2006 Location: Cricklade Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 2,813	https://www.firstfour.co.uk/wipac-7c...sidelight.html its the latest crystal beam wipac upgrade for landrovers looks really similar to suzuki SV 1100 lamp i will probably use thsi one with a PIAA or phillips extreme H4 bulb and relays fpr upgraded cables and your kit Gazza ???? __________________ MONSTERMAN

24-01-2017, 08:17 PM	#55
Darren69 Transmaniacon MOC Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Sutton In Ashfield Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 6,022	Gary, I've just sent you a long PM which I'm not sure all sent. So apologies if you didn't get it all. __________________ Roast Beef Monster! Termignoni and Bucci - Italian for pipe and slippers! S4 Fogarty, S4R 07T, 748, Series 1 Mirage

24-01-2017, 08:25 PM	#56
jerry Old Git Join Date: May 2006 Location: Cricklade Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 2,813	also Cibie H180 with side light for about £40 will fit gazzas upgrade kit __________________ MONSTERMAN

24-01-2017, 08:40 PM	#57
Mr Gazza Lord of the Rings Join Date: May 2013 Location: Norwich Bike: M900sie Posts: 5,802	Yep. I got your interesting PM Darren, thanks. Thanks Jerry for posting up interesting ideas for lamp units. I went for this, just for a starting point. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2816962742...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT It came with 55/60 xenon bulbs, so I thought it was worth a punt. The light is White, which is an immediate improvement. I think it has better penetration on main. The dip has a worrying pale area in the close nearside, but a useful looking bright patch in the hedge about 15-20 yards away. Maybe a set up with the mot testers beam machine would help? I have only pushed the bike out and shone it down the road so far as it's too cold for a ride by far, so I am waiting for a night time temp above at least 2C for a proper try out. __________________

25-01-2017, 12:55 PM	#58
Dukedesmo Registered User Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Leics Bike: M900 Posts: 2,842	Be interesting to see how the light performs as I'm on the lookout for an improvement, although my Monster doesn't actually have a Monster headlight so it might not apply in my case. I do have a Monster headlight on my Guzzi though... __________________ M900, 916, LeMans II.

25-01-2017, 04:50 PM	#60
jerry Old Git Join Date: May 2006 Location: Cricklade Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 2,813	im looking for a light that dips a quality 20m in front but bungs a searchlight beam 80m=100m ahead , the SV one on my M750 doea that nicely with a phillips extreme but all other i have tried on my S4 experiments are fails including standard bosch with phhillips xtreme , and some chinky crystal ones __________________ MONSTERMAN