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Old 23-01-2019, 07:40 PM   #1
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Monster S4 challenge bike

I've got a genuine Monster S4 challenge bike that I'm thinking of selling, (my knees just can't take it anymore).
I was assured when I bought it that it was one that was prepared but never raced, but who knows, it certainly didn't look like it had been used.
I replaced the 'standard' tank, (which leaked, as they all do), with a Foggy rep tank and the 'standard' seat cowl with a tricolore one, looks fantastic. Carbon fibre challenge nose fairing and bulbous seat cowl are wrapped up in the loft, slipper clutch in a box in the garage, std clutch currently on the bike.
I've got the original sales receipt from Woods motorcycles and the original dyno printout from the race series.
It's been maintained regardless of cost and mileage by Ducati specialist Cornerspeed of Mansfield. Service every year, belts every two.
Currently has just over 9000 miles showing.
My question is, how do I value it?
I know they are rare, but not sure that counts for too much, over and above what a std Monster S4 would fetch in similar condition. After all Suzuki SB200s are rare, wouldn't want one though.
If anyone has any input, or thinks they might be interested in buying it, let me know
I'm struggling to upload a photo at the moment but will keep trying.
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Old 23-01-2019, 07:47 PM   #2
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I've got a genuine Monster S4 challenge bike that I'm thinking of selling, (my knees just can't take it anymore).
I was assured when I bought it that it was one that was prepared but never raced, but who knows, it certainly didn't look like it had been used.
I replaced the 'standard' tank, (which leaked, as they all do), with a Foggy rep tank and the 'standard' seat cowl with a tricolore one, looks fantastic. Carbon fibre challenge nose fairing and bulbous seat cowl are wrapped up in the loft, slipper clutch in a box in the garage, std clutch currently on the bike.
I've got the original sales receipt from Woods motorcycles and the original dyno printout from the race series.
It's been maintained regardless of cost and mileage by Ducati specialist Cornerspeed of Mansfield. Service every year, belts every two.
Currently has just over 9000 miles showing.
My question is, how do I value it?
I know they are rare, but not sure that counts for too much, over and above what a std Monster S4 would fetch in similar condition. After all Suzuki SB200s are rare, wouldn't want one though.
If anyone has any input, or thinks they might be interested in buying it, let me know
I'm struggling to upload a photo at the moment but will keep trying.
Have you asked Cornerspeed what they think its worth?
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Old 23-01-2019, 08:52 PM   #3
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Smiffy spotted a Challenge one day when filling up his lovely Senna M1000Sie.

The Challenge belonged to a member by the username of Strokersmoke. details here. http://www.ukmonster.co.uk/monster/s...ad.php?t=55325

Strokersmoke might be able to help you with a value as he sold his Challenge a year or so ago.

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Old 23-01-2019, 10:56 PM   #4
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Ducati Manchester are selling an S4 foggy with next to no miles for 19K, in terms of 'limited edition' there were 300 of these made so yes limited but even fewer S4's were prepped for the challenge series.
That it wasn't raced ought to make little difference, the what it is will hold the extra value as long as you have solid provenance.
Did the challenge series come with tanks that were predominantly red with a thin'ish' white line then green at the rear base??

End of the day it's what someone is willing to give you for it and that has got to be more than another S4 of the same age and condition.
Might be worth getting a picture or two with the challenge parts on if you are going to sell it.
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Old 24-01-2019, 09:13 AM   #5
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I've got a challenge, here is a picture of one "not being raced"



Not worth anymore than a standard S4, sell the race bits separately.

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Old 24-01-2019, 06:05 PM   #6
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Old 24-01-2019, 11:08 PM   #8
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I rather like the look of them with all the 'Challenge' parts fitted but in road trim they don't look too much difference to a standard S4.

The high level pipes are a bit of a Marmite thing and combined with a chop can make Monsters look a bit 'wheel barrowey'.

As for the value and sale, it's always nice to have things like the original sales receipt and paperwork to support it's history but the tank swap might raise a few questions as not sure that they particularly had leak issues- did they?

The S4 I owned never suffered from a leaky tank and my 900's never has in it's twenty two years.

Got to admire Ducati for their tried and trusted method of finding ways of getting rid of a load of old factory stock though- the Challenge parts were originally made for an Italian domestic series using M900's which were raced kind of super moto style in small arena tracks.

All the parts were available in the 1997 accessories catalogue that accompanied my bike as part of the original sale.





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Old 25-01-2019, 01:18 PM   #9
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I would be tempted to get a red seat cowl, looks a bit of a mish mash IMO. Forks are nice though, do you still have the originals? If so I would sell the Ohlins separately (along with the other challenge bits).

Are the bars standard, they look like clip ons?

In terms of price you'd be looking at £2500 - 3500.
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Old 25-01-2019, 06:42 PM   #10
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I would be tempted to get a red seat cowl, looks a bit of a mish mash IMO. Forks are nice though, do you still have the originals? If so I would sell the Ohlins separately (along with the other challenge bits).

Are the bars standard, they look like clip ons?

In terms of price you'd be looking at £2500 - 3500.
I don't think the forks are Ohlins, they look like the Showa TiN ones that came as standard on the S4 Foggy and ST4S. They're really not any better than the standard ones and they seem to have the same failings from what people have said about the standard ones. Although I would be interested to know what internals they have as I have them on my Foggy and looking to improve mine as the Hyperpro kit doesn't help much.

In terms of price 2500-3500 sounds about right, it depends on whether the buyer minds the tail chop. I would but then others might not and if the Challenge parts are included, like the slipper clutch as you're looking at a good chunk of money for one, and they are worth it.
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Old 25-01-2019, 10:16 PM   #11
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You're right, they're ST4S forks with painted fork tubes, uprated springs to suit my weight, I've still got the S4 forks and the std tailpiece/number plate holder. Clip ons are on in the photos but std bars back on now.
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Old 26-01-2019, 07:52 AM   #12
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given as standard s4's go for around the 4k mark at the minute think you may get a shade more. it all depends if the buyer minds that technically bits have been changed. do you still have the big radiator guard frame? weren't the challenge bikes marked in places in indelible pen that they were challenge bikes or was that only if they were raced?
yours does look a nice clean well looked after example. i dont mind the cowl. kind of tricolore-esque.
God it really makes me want some S4 wheels for mine though!

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Old 26-01-2019, 12:22 PM   #13
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I had no idea that the standard S4's were fetching 4k nowadays, but its been a while since I checked so with that in mind and the fact that there is easily 1.5k s/hand prices in Challenge extras on your bike you may want to hold out for more or keep the bike.

I picked up a low mileage S4 Fogarty 8 years ago with a Dream machine paint job and a private plate worth 1k for just less than 4k and the only other 3 S4 Foggys I have seen for sale in UK since then were all asking 5 figures but lets not forget that they were an official factory limited edition 300 bike run and had all the stuff that was with them at the time like the stand, cover and jacket, bike number plate etc. I don't have the cover, stand or jacket with mine, but who cares?

I think I got lucky on that particular bike at the time as it was the dealers own bike and he was broke, but I love it cos its so mad and have since piled a load of cash into it to get it how I wanted it and added a load of extra goodies like carbon tank/DP seat unit/full floating disks with 4 pad calipers/Ohlins shock, Corbin saddle, oil cooler and replaced all the plastic body work with full carbon bodywork plus a load of other stuff like all the small DP trim stuff plus adjustable rake billet yokes and clip ons, full DP slipper clutch, DP flywheel, PCIII and custom remap, aftermarket clutch slave and probably a load more stuff which I can't remember!

If I added it all up I would probably have a heart attack, but its insured for 5 figures now anyway but could most likley never be replaced anyway.

The S4 Challenge is more of a standard bike but a dealer special with some DP parts added to comply with the race series, but there were a lot fewer in number than the Foggy which was only a 300 unit run but from what I can gather those 300 Foggy bikes were assembled manually by Ducati Performace separately from the main assembly line. and I have since discovered that they put the wrong ECU into them all! They were '02 bikes with the spec '02 wiring but they put the '01 DP ECU into them, still works but one cooling fan won't work because of the ECU/wiring fk up.
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Old 27-01-2019, 02:43 PM   #14
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'Cos it's so mad' sums it up perfectly, and the noise that it makes !
Oh Christ, I'll be changing my mind in a minute.
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Old 27-01-2019, 03:13 PM   #15
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They are all pretty bonkers the S4 and from what I read recently the whole supernaked craze came from the S4, I imagine the standard S4 was pretty badass too when it came out but the Foggy has 10% more torque and power than the standard S4 and the challenge bike shouldn't be that far behind it with the add ons so its still pretty badass.

Its that full termi that on the Foggy that gives the extra upmph. The Foggy has all the chanlenge engine bits but has a full Termi system that gives the extra power. Crappy paintwork though but easy enough to convert a standard S4 to a Foggy with about 2K!
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