Monster 1200 R - Page 3

AndyC_772 · 15-09-2015, 07:02 AM

Hands up who's ridden the M1200 and come away thinking it's underpowered?

No, me neither.

slob · 15-09-2015, 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saint aka ML

Come to think of that S4rs is 177kg stock so erm how come 1200s Ducati got so fat with allegedly lighter vacum cast cases?

Really?! 200cc extra, the electronics for RBW/TC/ABS and still only 3kg heavier...

steeevvvooo · 15-09-2015, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndyC_772

Hands up who's ridden the M1200 and come away thinking it's underpowered?

No, me neither.

no one NEEDS more power than the 1200.

I think there will be a lot of people looking at this bike if the footpeg issue is fixed and handling sharpened up... again... Not sure it was exactly blunt before but a few people recently have preferred the 821 based the handling.

As every though, it's going to come down to price.

J.P · 15-09-2015, 08:48 AM

I nice evolution of the bike

LouSCannon · 15-09-2015, 09:00 AM

It's interesting they mention the redesigned frame given it was sluggish on steering, which is something I didn't like about it... the power was awesome (Although I actually preferred the more raw feeling of power in my old S4Rs), but it is a heavy bike so if they've sharpened up the steering should be a much improved ride.

Somehow I can't see me getting a 4th bike in the garage next year, but wouldn't mind taking one out for a demo...

EDIT: Oh, and black ohlins... mmmmm *rubs thighs*

utopia · 15-09-2015, 10:55 AM

160 bhp .....on a naked !!!
Does it come with a pair of carbon exoskeletons for your arms, to stop them stretching ?
And a neckbrace ?

I guess you need a bit of extra oomph to carry all the plumbing though.

Its the same old story really ....high bhp figures sells bikes.
Light weight is more valuable in my book, but that doesn't attract the punters so well.
I can still remember how awesome the evo-engined, NCR one-shot felt, with its std (aircooled) motor and 140kg weight .....and that was just stationary, in the carpark !!

That said, I'm not complaining.
I'm glad that bike designers continue to build ever more extreme bikes.
But they're not for me.

alan s4 · 15-09-2015, 11:29 AM

Give it 2/3 years and nakeds will have 200+BHP. Top end Superbikes are all over that figure now and the engines will eventually filter down the range. It's only the electronics that make them rideable on the road, switch off the TC/Anti-wheelie and they become almost unrideable (at least if you open the throttle up to the max).

I've always found 90-110bhp to be more than adequate for my needs. That said I'm still pleased that bike manufacturers have the freedom to produce engines with no restriction on output.

MR21 · 15-09-2015, 11:52 AM

I'm saving up already! Completely pointless, but I guess that's the point! If I was going to be sensible I'd buy a raincoat.

SunEye · 16-09-2015, 04:46 AM

Surprised that they used the existing 1200 engine and made it Euro 4 compliant rather than using the DVT engine. It definitely saved having to totally redesign the bike around the DVT engine. It also means that they can almost certainly make the Diavel Euro 4 compliant with its existing engine. So I guess it will be a few more years before more Ducatis get DVT engines.

Saint aka ML · 16-09-2015, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slob

Really?! 200cc extra, the electronics for RBW/TC/ABS and still only 3kg heavier...

Not sure I agree with that comment Rob. 2v 1100 engine vs 2v 1100 engine with vacum cast engine is 5kg saving.

5kg saving is more then enough to cover 2kg of ABS, 200cc increase and most of not all of RBW/TC.

New monster also has lighter sub-frame and lighter main frame then old s4rs monster.
I am quite certain it has lighter loom due to cumbus (how ever you call it), lighter rims and suspension components.

Quite possibly lighter tank.

Frankly good comparison as to how much lighter it all became is between Monster 695 and Monster 696. Both use cheaper components and yet we have 7kg saving out of box.

Black Bob · 16-09-2015, 11:51 PM

Well it's heavier because reasons.

J.P · 29-09-2015, 01:23 PM

The new Monster 1200R has a gear position indicator on the dash.
Ducati have stepped into the 21st Century

Kato · 30-09-2015, 06:35 AM

First Ride Review

http://44teeth.com/ducati-monster-12...ew-first-ride/

Got to say if I'd read that and not seen any pictures, I'd be almost wanting one, unfortunately it looks like a bag of excreta, and at £15k!!!! by the time replacements had been found for all the hideous bits another 5k could easily disappear, this will not be on my shopping list any time soon

J.P · 30-09-2015, 07:18 AM

This is a great quote,
"Honestly speaking, the 1200 R could do with another 10bhp, just to **** you up like an archetypal supernaked should do."

16-02-2016, 04:51 PM

Im with kato

Just like the 1290 superduke it needs another 5 grand thrown at it.

Will stick with my sorted 1100 evo for the next couple of years at least.

Have ridden the 821 (gutless revbox) and 1200S (overweight sofabed that turns like a supertanker) neither feel like twins to me sorry guys.

15-09-2015, 08:48 AM	#34
J.P No more Monster... Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: London Bike: Other Not a Ducati Posts: 4,326	I nice evolution of the bike __________________ J.JP ------------------------------- My Mum says, there's no such thing as Monsters.

15-09-2015, 09:00 AM	#35
LouSCannon These must fit a Monster? Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stockton Heath Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 1,036	It's interesting they mention the redesigned frame given it was sluggish on steering, which is something I didn't like about it... the power was awesome (Although I actually preferred the more raw feeling of power in my old S4Rs), but it is a heavy bike so if they've sharpened up the steering should be a much improved ride. Somehow I can't see me getting a 4th bike in the garage next year, but wouldn't mind taking one out for a demo... EDIT: Oh, and black ohlins... mmmmm rubs thighs __________________ "Sometimes it takes a whole tankful of fuel before you can think straight."

16-09-2015, 11:51 PM	#41
Black Bob Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Exeter Bike: M1100evo Posts: 580	Well it's heavier because reasons. __________________ "I'm not Black, I'm not Bob and I'm not in Exeter.... no, wait, erm..."

29-09-2015, 01:23 PM	#42
J.P No more Monster... Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: London Bike: Other Not a Ducati Posts: 4,326	The new Monster 1200R has a gear position indicator on the dash. Ducati have stepped into the 21st Century __________________ J.JP ------------------------------- My Mum says, there's no such thing as Monsters.

30-09-2015, 06:35 AM	#43
Kato Dismantled Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: East Molesey Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 2,222	First Ride Review http://44teeth.com/ducati-monster-12...ew-first-ride/ Got to say if I'd read that and not seen any pictures, I'd be almost wanting one, unfortunately it looks like a bag of excreta, and at £15k!!!! by the time replacements had been found for all the hideous bits another 5k could easily disappear, this will not be on my shopping list any time soon __________________ "Political correctness is just intellectual colonialism and psychological fascism for the creation of thought crime" Last edited by Kato; 30-09-2015 at 06:51 AM..

15-09-2015, 07:02 AM	#31
AndyC_772 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Farnborough Bike: No Bike Yet! Posts: 211	Hands up who's ridden the M1200 and come away thinking it's underpowered? No, me neither.

15-09-2015, 10:55 AM	#36
utopia No turn left unstoned Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: leicester Bike: M750 Posts: 4,545	160 bhp .....on a naked !!! Does it come with a pair of carbon exoskeletons for your arms, to stop them stretching ? And a neckbrace ? I guess you need a bit of extra oomph to carry all the plumbing though. Its the same old story really ....high bhp figures sells bikes. Light weight is more valuable in my book, but that doesn't attract the punters so well. I can still remember how awesome the evo-engined, NCR one-shot felt, with its std (aircooled) motor and 140kg weight .....and that was just stationary, in the carpark !! That said, I'm not complaining. I'm glad that bike designers continue to build ever more extreme bikes. But they're not for me.

15-09-2015, 11:29 AM	#37
alan s4 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Glasgow Bike: S4 challenge Posts: 447	Give it 2/3 years and nakeds will have 200+BHP. Top end Superbikes are all over that figure now and the engines will eventually filter down the range. It's only the electronics that make them rideable on the road, switch off the TC/Anti-wheelie and they become almost unrideable (at least if you open the throttle up to the max). I've always found 90-110bhp to be more than adequate for my needs. That said I'm still pleased that bike manufacturers have the freedom to produce engines with no restriction on output.

15-09-2015, 11:52 AM	#38
MR21 Registered User Join Date: May 2014 Location: Bath Bike: M1200 Posts: 32	I'm saving up already! Completely pointless, but I guess that's the point! If I was going to be sensible I'd buy a raincoat.

16-09-2015, 04:46 AM	#39
SunEye Registered User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Bognor Regis Bike: Other Ducati Posts: 589	Surprised that they used the existing 1200 engine and made it Euro 4 compliant rather than using the DVT engine. It definitely saved having to totally redesign the bike around the DVT engine. It also means that they can almost certainly make the Diavel Euro 4 compliant with its existing engine. So I guess it will be a few more years before more Ducatis get DVT engines.

30-09-2015, 07:18 AM	#44
J.P No more Monster... Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: London Bike: Other Not a Ducati Posts: 4,326	This is a great quote, "Honestly speaking, the 1200 R could do with another 10bhp, just to **** you up like an archetypal supernaked should do." __________________ J.JP ------------------------------- My Mum says, there's no such thing as Monsters.

16-02-2016, 04:51 PM	#45
Cobra88 Guest Posts: n/a	Im with kato Just like the 1290 superduke it needs another 5 grand thrown at it. Will stick with my sorted 1100 evo for the next couple of years at least. Have ridden the 821 (gutless revbox) and 1200S (overweight sofabed that turns like a supertanker) neither feel like twins to me sorry guys.