Renthal R4SRS chain help

Ron1000 · 10-11-2019, 04:20 PM

Guy’s,
Wee bit of an interesting one. I’m trying my chain out for size and I’ve hit a couple problems.

First one is easy: it’s covered in some sort of white stuff; i thought lube of some description but it’s ultra sticky. Is that normally cleaned off? Seems like it should be to me. Massive magnet for grit I would have thought.

Two: the master link has solid pins and it specifically says not to use a normal hollow link riveter! Anybody done one like this before? Might have to buy a special tool.

Anybody know what this is for?

Solid master link pins

slob · 10-11-2019, 05:05 PM

the clip is a spacer, more hassle than it’s worth imo as you risk damaging the orings (or x etc) removing it. i always clamp the link up and use a vernier caliper to confirm the rivet link is pressed to the same width as all the others. i use a whale chain tool , which does all kinds of pins. without knowing what tool you have it’s difficult to advise on what will or won’t work.

Ron1000 · 10-11-2019, 05:14 PM

Slob,
Cool, spacer will be ignored. I’ve really only got a standard chain tool set. Don’t think it comes with the quad stake in it. I’ll check tho.

The whales are expensive, regretting buying this if it’s the same price for the tool as the chain. Lololol

slob · 10-11-2019, 05:17 PM

yeah, the whale tool is certainly expensive but i can’t fault its operation.

Ron1000 · 10-11-2019, 05:25 PM

This there an accessory quad stake for use with a normal chain tool?

chris.p · 10-11-2019, 06:38 PM

Check with your local bike shops, they may lend theres to you for a small fee.

Ron1000 · 10-11-2019, 07:10 PM

Can get a motion pro type for £80. I’ll probably go with that and accept it’s a new workshop tool.

stopintime · 10-11-2019, 07:52 PM

Isn't it a clip link chain?

Luddite · 10-11-2019, 08:11 PM

Those side plates are a really tight fit over the pins and would probably stay put even if they weren't mushroomed out at the end (although I wouldn't advocate trying it!). The point is that you wouldn't need to flare out the pins very much to get a secure join.

Couldn't you use something as a suitable anvil on the back of the sprocket and then peen over the ends of the pins with a small hammer and/or drift? You could use those spacers to prevent the side plates closing up too much.

Alternatively, assuming the pin diameters and side plate thicknesses are the same, you could fit a hollow rivet link from another manufacturer. For example, I believe DID pins are 5-5.1mm diameter.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DID-Chain...J/283292492327

Ron1000 · 10-11-2019, 09:02 PM

Defo not a clip style

I Did consider / am considering a hollow type master link. It would bug me tho.

There is a technique using a nut so the nut slightly peens over the edges. Looks ropey tho.

The motion pro one acts as a standard hollow pin type too so it’s multifunctional I suppose. No the end of the world and a nice tool to have. I’ll get it for my Christmas ��

When I get it done and tidied up I’ll post up a couple photos of a peened master link just incase anybody wants a look

slob · 10-11-2019, 09:28 PM

get the right size clip link and ride gently to someone with the right tool for the job

manwithredbike · 10-11-2019, 11:01 PM

I did one on a friend's bike recently with solid rivet pins. I used a lump happer held behind the split link as an anvil and a small ball peen hammer to mushroom the rivet ends. As Luddite says, the end plate was a very tight fit so not going anywhere easily.
If you go for a split link with a clip as Rob suggests, don't forget to fit the clip with closed end facing direction of chain travel (Just saying -- just in case).

Ron1000 · 11-11-2019, 07:43 AM

Think I'm pretty settled on the this quad stake / Peening tool.

Bike is off the road until next year now, so I'll shelf it until I've done the rest of the bike. So early next year.

Thanks for the advice guys.

Ron1000 · 28-11-2019, 04:09 PM

Managed to get an early Black Friday deal on a chain tool for this renthal. Got the motion pro one, good deal on it too.

I’ll let you guys know how it goes and post up some pics.

It’s available for any local Scotland members if they don’t fancy shelling out cash for one. 😉

10-11-2019, 04:20 PM	#1
Ron1000 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Livingston Bike: M1100evo Posts: 863	Renthal R4SRS chain help Guy’s, Wee bit of an interesting one. I’m trying my chain out for size and I’ve hit a couple problems. First one is easy: it’s covered in some sort of white stuff; i thought lube of some description but it’s ultra sticky. Is that normally cleaned off? Seems like it should be to me. Massive magnet for grit I would have thought. Two: the master link has solid pins and it specifically says not to use a normal hollow link riveter! Anybody done one like this before? Might have to buy a special tool. Anybody know what this is for? Solid master link pins

10-11-2019, 05:25 PM	#5
Ron1000 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Livingston Bike: M1100evo Posts: 863	This there an accessory quad stake for use with a normal chain tool? Last edited by Ron1000; 10-11-2019 at 05:35 PM..

10-11-2019, 11:01 PM	#12
manwithredbike aka Phil Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: derry Bike: M900 Posts: 376	I did one on a friend's bike recently with solid rivet pins. I used a lump happer held behind the split link as an anvil and a small ball peen hammer to mushroom the rivet ends. As Luddite says, the end plate was a very tight fit so not going anywhere easily. If you go for a split link with a clip as Rob suggests, don't forget to fit the clip with closed end facing direction of chain travel (Just saying -- just in case). __________________ .. ~

10-11-2019, 05:05 PM	#2
slob . Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: East London Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 9,710	the clip is a spacer, more hassle than it’s worth imo as you risk damaging the orings (or x etc) removing it. i always clamp the link up and use a vernier caliper to confirm the rivet link is pressed to the same width as all the others. i use a whale chain tool , which does all kinds of pins. without knowing what tool you have it’s difficult to advise on what will or won’t work.

10-11-2019, 05:14 PM	#3
Ron1000 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Livingston Bike: M1100evo Posts: 863	Slob, Cool, spacer will be ignored. I’ve really only got a standard chain tool set. Don’t think it comes with the quad stake in it. I’ll check tho. The whales are expensive, regretting buying this if it’s the same price for the tool as the chain. Lololol

10-11-2019, 05:17 PM	#4
slob . Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: East London Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 9,710	yeah, the whale tool is certainly expensive but i can’t fault its operation.

10-11-2019, 06:38 PM	#6
chris.p Gold Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: lincoln Bike: No Bike Yet! Posts: 876	Check with your local bike shops, they may lend theres to you for a small fee.

10-11-2019, 07:10 PM	#7
Ron1000 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Livingston Bike: M1100evo Posts: 863	Can get a motion pro type for £80. I’ll probably go with that and accept it’s a new workshop tool.

10-11-2019, 07:52 PM	#8
stopintime Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Oslo Bike: S2r Posts: 426	Isn't it a clip link chain?

10-11-2019, 08:11 PM	#9
Luddite Registered User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Southampton Bike: M1100evo Posts: 2,465	Those side plates are a really tight fit over the pins and would probably stay put even if they weren't mushroomed out at the end (although I wouldn't advocate trying it!). The point is that you wouldn't need to flare out the pins very much to get a secure join. Couldn't you use something as a suitable anvil on the back of the sprocket and then peen over the ends of the pins with a small hammer and/or drift? You could use those spacers to prevent the side plates closing up too much. Alternatively, assuming the pin diameters and side plate thicknesses are the same, you could fit a hollow rivet link from another manufacturer. For example, I believe DID pins are 5-5.1mm diameter. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DID-Chain...J/283292492327

10-11-2019, 09:02 PM	#10
Ron1000 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Livingston Bike: M1100evo Posts: 863	Defo not a clip style I Did consider / am considering a hollow type master link. It would bug me tho. There is a technique using a nut so the nut slightly peens over the edges. Looks ropey tho. The motion pro one acts as a standard hollow pin type too so it’s multifunctional I suppose. No the end of the world and a nice tool to have. I’ll get it for my Christmas �� When I get it done and tidied up I’ll post up a couple photos of a peened master link just incase anybody wants a look

10-11-2019, 09:28 PM	#11
slob . Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: East London Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 9,710	get the right size clip link and ride gently to someone with the right tool for the job

11-11-2019, 07:43 AM	#13
Ron1000 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Livingston Bike: M1100evo Posts: 863	Think I'm pretty settled on the this quad stake / Peening tool. Bike is off the road until next year now, so I'll shelf it until I've done the rest of the bike. So early next year. Thanks for the advice guys.

28-11-2019, 04:09 PM	#14
Ron1000 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Livingston Bike: M1100evo Posts: 863	Managed to get an early Black Friday deal on a chain tool for this renthal. Got the motion pro one, good deal on it too. I’ll let you guys know how it goes and post up some pics. It’s available for any local Scotland members if they don’t fancy shelling out cash for one. 😉