696 lowering

Christy · 11-07-2019, 06:52 PM

Has anyone lowered a Monster 696. My very ally challenged missus is on the verge of selling hers due to lack of confidence. I have seen a sort of collar arrangement presumably to fit in the rear shock. An I reckon I could lose the forks in the yokes slightly. I could also get the seat altered. Anyone done any of this?

slob · 11-07-2019, 07:58 PM

I’m assuming you’ve already tried daytona lady boots?

Ron1000 · 11-07-2019, 08:48 PM

Ducati do a 25mm lower seat that would be a good start and possibly luss racing might do a lowering kit.

I have an official Ducati lower seat but it’s suffered a wee bit and needs recovered, might no be a bad thing tho as you could take more out of it. I’ll let it go cheap PM me if you fancy it.

slob · 11-07-2019, 09:01 PM

Sadly Lust Racing kits rely on replacing the ‘dogbones’ in the rear linkage, the 696 doesn’t have that type of rear suspension.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ducati-Mo...-/200821364167

chris.p · 11-07-2019, 10:23 PM

I lowered my wife Cathy's 696, it is easy, but needs a bit of care.

1, get the Ducati lowered seat, It's not really lowered but they cut away the sides where your thighs go in effect it is easier to put your feet down.

2, take 5mm off the preload height on the rear shock.

3, drop the yolks 2,5 to 3mm down the forks. and take 2.5mm of preload off the forks.

4, do the bike and rider sags, (bike first) then with rider. (pm me your email address and I will email you a suspension setup for sags etc)

5, after doing rider and bike sags you may need new spring.

by the way I am in Lincoln if you want to come over and borrow a lowered seat etc.
hope this helps.

Luddite · 11-07-2019, 11:20 PM

I can't help with your problem, unfortunately, Christy, but this information might help 796/1100 owners who want to lower their machines.

Although all three models share the same shock, the clevis that the top of the shock bolts to has a different part number for each model:

696 - 82919701A
796 - 82919631B
1100 - 82919631A

The 696 has the shortest clevis (sorry, Christy!), and the 1100 the longest as these pictures show.

696

1100

I don't know the length if the 796 one - somewhere in between perhaps. But the upshot is, if you want to lower a 796/1100, you can fit a 696 clevis. I think the difference between the 696 and 1100 is about 11mm.

BigOz · 12-07-2019, 09:39 AM

You can buy a collar that holds the spring on the shock with a step in it to help with lowering the rear end. It replaces the collar with SACHS embossed on it in Luddites picture above.

http://www.mfw-wolf.de/en/Lowering-Kits/Lowering-Kit98

Christy · 12-07-2019, 10:48 AM

Thanks for all of the replies

No not she hasn't tried higher boots yet.

PMs sent to Chris P and Ron1000

Christy · 12-07-2019, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigOz

You can buy a collar that holds the spring on the shock with a step in it to help with lowering the rear end. It replaces the collar with SACHS embossed on it in Luddites picture above.

http://www.mfw-wolf.de/en/Lowering-Kits/Lowering-Kit98

Do you have to remove the shock and compress the spring to fit this?

slob · 12-07-2019, 11:25 AM

yes you do

you get a 30mm reduction in seat hight

they look a little cheaper on the link to m&p (on ebay) i posted earlier

BigOz · 12-07-2019, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slob

yes you do

you get a 30mm reduction in seat hight

they look a little cheaper on the link to m&p (on ebay) i posted earlier

Sorry didn't spot your link to exactly the same part... D'oh!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christy

Do you have to remove the shock and compress the spring to fit this?

I can check my original 696 shock when I get home and see if there is enough thread to decompress the spring without spring compressors if that will help?

With my aftermarket Ohlins I was able to do this when I changed the spring.

Christy · 12-07-2019, 04:14 PM

Thanks. I had a look today and I think it will be case of backing off the preload and compressing the spring

Luddite · 12-07-2019, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slob

Sadly Lust Racing kits rely on replacing the ‘dogbones’ in the rear linkage, the 696 doesn’t have that type of rear suspension.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ducati-Mo...-/200821364167

That's ingenious!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christy

Do you have to remove the shock and compress the spring to fit this?

Yes, unfortunately the Sachs needs a spring compressor as even with the preload backed off fully, the spring is still under tension. If you're going to have to remove the spring anyway, you could also consider fitting a replacement tailored exactly to your wife's weight.

Christy · 13-07-2019, 08:53 PM

Thanks everyone for the great advice.

11-07-2019, 06:52 PM	#1
Christy Registered User Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Hull Bike: M900 Posts: 75	696 lowering Has anyone lowered a Monster 696. My very ally challenged missus is on the verge of selling hers due to lack of confidence. I have seen a sort of collar arrangement presumably to fit in the rear shock. An I reckon I could lose the forks in the yokes slightly. I could also get the seat altered. Anyone done any of this? __________________ Keeping it real M900 (93), Multistrada 950, 900SS Project, Guzzi Breva 1100

11-07-2019, 09:01 PM	#4
slob . Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: East London Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 9,707	Sadly Lust Racing kits rely on replacing the ‘dogbones’ in the rear linkage, the 696 doesn’t have that type of rear suspension. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ducati-Mo...-/200821364167 Last edited by slob; 11-07-2019 at 09:05 PM..

12-07-2019, 09:39 AM	#7
BigOz Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Chatham Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 714	You can buy a collar that holds the spring on the shock with a step in it to help with lowering the rear end. It replaces the collar with SACHS embossed on it in Luddites picture above. http://www.mfw-wolf.de/en/Lowering-Kits/Lowering-Kit98 __________________ Sideways is the new forward!

12-07-2019, 10:48 AM	#8
Christy Registered User Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Hull Bike: M900 Posts: 75	Thanks for all of the replies No not she hasn't tried higher boots yet. PMs sent to Chris P and Ron1000 __________________ Keeping it real M900 (93), Multistrada 950, 900SS Project, Guzzi Breva 1100 Last edited by Christy; 12-07-2019 at 10:59 AM..

12-07-2019, 04:14 PM	#12
Christy Registered User Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Hull Bike: M900 Posts: 75	Thanks. I had a look today and I think it will be case of backing off the preload and compressing the spring __________________ Keeping it real M900 (93), Multistrada 950, 900SS Project, Guzzi Breva 1100

11-07-2019, 07:58 PM	#2
slob . Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: East London Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 9,707	I’m assuming you’ve already tried daytona lady boots?

11-07-2019, 08:48 PM	#3
Ron1000 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Livingston Bike: M1100evo Posts: 863	Ducati do a 25mm lower seat that would be a good start and possibly luss racing might do a lowering kit. I have an official Ducati lower seat but it’s suffered a wee bit and needs recovered, might no be a bad thing tho as you could take more out of it. I’ll let it go cheap PM me if you fancy it.

11-07-2019, 10:23 PM	#5
chris.p Gold Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: lincoln Bike: No Bike Yet! Posts: 876	I lowered my wife Cathy's 696, it is easy, but needs a bit of care. 1, get the Ducati lowered seat, It's not really lowered but they cut away the sides where your thighs go in effect it is easier to put your feet down. 2, take 5mm off the preload height on the rear shock. 3, drop the yolks 2,5 to 3mm down the forks. and take 2.5mm of preload off the forks. 4, do the bike and rider sags, (bike first) then with rider. (pm me your email address and I will email you a suspension setup for sags etc) 5, after doing rider and bike sags you may need new spring. by the way I am in Lincoln if you want to come over and borrow a lowered seat etc. hope this helps.

11-07-2019, 11:20 PM	#6
Luddite Registered User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Southampton Bike: M1100evo Posts: 2,465	I can't help with your problem, unfortunately, Christy, but this information might help 796/1100 owners who want to lower their machines. Although all three models share the same shock, the clevis that the top of the shock bolts to has a different part number for each model: 696 - 82919701A 796 - 82919631B 1100 - 82919631A The 696 has the shortest clevis (sorry, Christy!), and the 1100 the longest as these pictures show. 696 1100 I don't know the length if the 796 one - somewhere in between perhaps. But the upshot is, if you want to lower a 796/1100, you can fit a 696 clevis. I think the difference between the 696 and 1100 is about 11mm.

12-07-2019, 11:25 AM	#10
slob . Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: East London Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 9,707	yes you do you get a 30mm reduction in seat hight they look a little cheaper on the link to m&p (on ebay) i posted earlier

13-07-2019, 08:53 PM	#14
Christy Registered User Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Hull Bike: M900 Posts: 75	Thanks everyone for the great advice. __________________ Keeping it real M900 (93), Multistrada 950, 900SS Project, Guzzi Breva 1100