Look what I found in the workshop! - Page 2

Pedro · 20-03-2014, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DrD

GASA, I know what you mean. Guy at work arrived the other day on his 1934 Norton - even has got the original (and now rusty) bolts on. Patina does not even cover that one!

That's cool! Mate of ours uses a 1930's Scott Flying Squirrel very regularly - it's completely original!

Flip · 21-03-2014, 02:26 AM

Ahhh Pedro, nice to see the old girl again!!

As for the battle scars, I think I may have been witness to more than a couple of those on the many runs out through the leafy lanes of Hants, Sussex and Surrey some years ago.

Originality is a funny thing in my opinion- it's like where does it start and stop?

For example if the bike hasn't been 'restored' and yet had a load of aftermarket parts fitted in the early years as was Ducati's intention for the Monster (which is why the early bikes came with a parts catalogue). Does that make it 'original' still? Particularly when (in the early days) there was so much variation between the parts fitted to bikes from the factory as had already been mentioned.

Then there is what I call the 'Four sides of ownership'.
I make no secret of my love of Ducatis and in particular their singles- so you get the rare, genuinely original bikes, the full on restoration anoraks where the bikes are as good as new (if not better), the ones like my own 1965 Mach 1 which are kept within regulations in order to race at classic events (basically they have to look original with period modifications or modern ones that cannot be seen such as fork internals etc.). The lastly you get the- screw it and take something with a punchy little motor and then give it a modern twist, go to a track and embarrass some much newer machines with it:

http://radducati.blogspot.co.uk/2013...cati-2013.html

I do wonder if in thirty years or so the Desmo Due bikes will be being raced in classic events- I rather hope so!

utopia · 21-03-2014, 08:42 AM

There is one special word which describes how an original monster should be and that word is......kept.
I'm glad to see you've got the basics spot on, Pedro.
Though also slightly puzzled as to your lack of attachment to the 1000DS, which was in my opinion one of the best around.

As far original features are concerned, while I too can appreciate (and smile at) the iconic qualities of the yellow hoop, its just paint after all and matters little. In fact, to my eye, it looks better when its colour coordinated with the frame.
Similarly, although I do respect the work of those who do "factory genuine" restorations, I personally much prefer to see a few sensible modifications .....eg at a very basic level, stainless fasteners to replace original zinc plated items.
But its a big, wide world, with plenty of room for other opinions.

That's an interesting instrument cluster. What's in the extra bit ?

Pedro · 21-03-2014, 08:45 PM

Hey Flipper
Can remember the early runs well, great fun.

Full restoration wouldn't be right but I have pretty much all the original bits. I'm going for the period mods, a few nice bits that would've been available at the time, like the Road Racing clocks and carbon cans

Utopia, as good as the 1000 was, it just didn't get under my skin like the 900 has, not sure why really. Probably because most of the work was done when I bought it, I just tidied it up and finished the job. If anyone's interested, it's appeared on eBay at the moment, minus most of the bling. Looks very plain now.

21-03-2014, 09:04 PM

I understand this. Its why my garage has Road Racing and SIL boxes with the original parts in.

21-03-2014, 09:09 PM

BUT I draw the line on period parts when it comes to the likes of Clutch Slaves and Rear shocks.
Just need to decide about the front end now. 851/888 or maxton internals.

Dirty · 21-03-2014, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedro

If anyone's interested, it's appeared on eBay at the moment, minus most of the bling. Looks very plain now.

Not that I can afford it but I like to look, got a link?

Albie · 21-03-2014, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedro

Hey Flipper
Can remember the early runs well, great fun.

Full restoration wouldn't be right but I have pretty much all the original bits. I'm going for the period mods, a few nice bits that would've been available at the time, like the Road Racing clocks and carbon cans

Utopia, as good as the 1000 was, it just didn't get under my skin like the 900 has, not sure why really. Probably because most of the work was done when I bought it, I just tidied it up and finished the job. If anyone's interested, it's appeared on eBay at the moment, minus most of the bling. Looks very plain now.

I used to get about more then. I remember my first was Sammy Millers in the wet. July went to Hayling Island I think. My mirror lens jumped ship on the right side but caught it in hand.
I really do miss old school monsters but wouldn't be without mine that I have. Fond memory's though for sure

slob · 22-03-2014, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty

Not that I can afford it but I like to look, got a link?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ducati-Mon...ht_1062wt_1141

Only 4 owners: MD of Ducati UK, 2 UKMOC Presidents and Kev.

rollo22 · 22-03-2014, 10:35 AM

Are you going to make it 3 UKMOC Presidents Slob....

slob · 22-03-2014, 10:46 AM

A third M1000DS would just be greedy (or spares)
If I had the space a completely standard '93 M900 would be very high on the list

Dirty · 22-03-2014, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slob

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ducati-Mon...ht_1062wt_1141

Only 4 owners: MD of Ducati UK, 2 UKMOC Presidents and Kev.

Oh I saw that one but the location confused me

23-03-2014, 07:15 PM

21 year old battle scars are the way forward

I thought I was ashamed to admit my old 21 year old lump had to sit around with no engine casing or starter motor for nearly 18 months was bad, but nearly 7 years! You should go and hang your head in shame in the corner young man!!

Pedro · 29-03-2014, 07:41 PM

Evening all

Spent the day today monster fettling, front brakes all overhauled with a new master cylinder too, new belts (forgotten how quick these are to do, all of 15 minutes!), lots of dust and dirt cleaned off and the oil dropped ready for fresh. Looks like I'll need a set of clutch plates as they look fooked, open covers and damp don't mix! Next up is sort the chain and rear brake out then find the foot rest hangers and get the polish to the exhaust.

With a bit of luck it'll start up soon! I might even grace the weekender with my presence!!

Ped

21-03-2014, 02:26 AM	#17
Flip Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Beachtown Bike: M900 Posts: 2,188	Ahhh Pedro, nice to see the old girl again!! As for the battle scars, I think I may have been witness to more than a couple of those on the many runs out through the leafy lanes of Hants, Sussex and Surrey some years ago. Originality is a funny thing in my opinion- it's like where does it start and stop? For example if the bike hasn't been 'restored' and yet had a load of aftermarket parts fitted in the early years as was Ducati's intention for the Monster (which is why the early bikes came with a parts catalogue). Does that make it 'original' still? Particularly when (in the early days) there was so much variation between the parts fitted to bikes from the factory as had already been mentioned. Then there is what I call the 'Four sides of ownership'. I make no secret of my love of Ducatis and in particular their singles- so you get the rare, genuinely original bikes, the full on restoration anoraks where the bikes are as good as new (if not better), the ones like my own 1965 Mach 1 which are kept within regulations in order to race at classic events (basically they have to look original with period modifications or modern ones that cannot be seen such as fork internals etc.). The lastly you get the- screw it and take something with a punchy little motor and then give it a modern twist, go to a track and embarrass some much newer machines with it: http://radducati.blogspot.co.uk/2013...cati-2013.html I do wonder if in thirty years or so the Desmo Due bikes will be being raced in classic events- I rather hope so! __________________ You're perfect, yes, it's true- But without me you're only you! Last edited by Flip; 21-03-2014 at 02:32 AM..

21-03-2014, 08:45 PM	#19
Pedro Ciao, come stai? Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Somewhere Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 4,157	Hey Flipper Can remember the early runs well, great fun. Full restoration wouldn't be right but I have pretty much all the original bits. I'm going for the period mods, a few nice bits that would've been available at the time, like the Road Racing clocks and carbon cans Utopia, as good as the 1000 was, it just didn't get under my skin like the 900 has, not sure why really. Probably because most of the work was done when I bought it, I just tidied it up and finished the job. If anyone's interested, it's appeared on eBay at the moment, minus most of the bling. Looks very plain now. __________________ M900 - 1993! Monster 1200R!

22-03-2014, 10:35 AM	#25
rollo22 Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Moreton-in-Marsh Bike: M1100evo Posts: 1,082	Are you going to make it 3 UKMOC Presidents Slob.... __________________ IF ALL ELSE FAILS READ THE INSTRUCTIONS

29-03-2014, 07:41 PM	#29
Pedro Ciao, come stai? Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Somewhere Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 4,157	Evening all Spent the day today monster fettling, front brakes all overhauled with a new master cylinder too, new belts (forgotten how quick these are to do, all of 15 minutes!), lots of dust and dirt cleaned off and the oil dropped ready for fresh. Looks like I'll need a set of clutch plates as they look fooked, open covers and damp don't mix! Next up is sort the chain and rear brake out then find the foot rest hangers and get the polish to the exhaust. With a bit of luck it'll start up soon! I might even grace the weekender with my presence!! Ped __________________ M900 - 1993! Monster 1200R!

21-03-2014, 08:42 AM	#18
utopia No turn left unstoned Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: leicester Bike: M750 Posts: 4,545	There is one special word which describes how an original monster should be and that word is......kept. I'm glad to see you've got the basics spot on, Pedro. Though also slightly puzzled as to your lack of attachment to the 1000DS, which was in my opinion one of the best around. As far original features are concerned, while I too can appreciate (and smile at) the iconic qualities of the yellow hoop, its just paint after all and matters little. In fact, to my eye, it looks better when its colour coordinated with the frame. Similarly, although I do respect the work of those who do "factory genuine" restorations, I personally much prefer to see a few sensible modifications .....eg at a very basic level, stainless fasteners to replace original zinc plated items. But its a big, wide world, with plenty of room for other opinions. That's an interesting instrument cluster. What's in the extra bit ?

21-03-2014, 09:04 PM	#20
DrD Guest Posts: n/a	I understand this. Its why my garage has Road Racing and SIL boxes with the original parts in.

21-03-2014, 09:09 PM	#21
DrD Guest Posts: n/a	BUT I draw the line on period parts when it comes to the likes of Clutch Slaves and Rear shocks. Just need to decide about the front end now. 851/888 or maxton internals.

22-03-2014, 10:46 AM	#26
slob . Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: East London Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 9,713	A third M1000DS would just be greedy (or spares) If I had the space a completely standard '93 M900 would be very high on the list

23-03-2014, 07:15 PM	#28
banditloon Guest Posts: n/a	21 year old battle scars are the way forward I thought I was ashamed to admit my old 21 year old lump had to sit around with no engine casing or starter motor for nearly 18 months was bad, but nearly 7 years! You should go and hang your head in shame in the corner young man!!