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Jez900ie · 26-03-2018, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chriswilly

Don't see my original reply here Jezz so will repeat.
Fitted a H7 100/90 watt bulb to my original headlamp (which was in good condition) and was amazed at the coverage.
In the center lane of motorway on 'dip' I had perfect coverage for up to 50m with a superb 'cut off' covering all three lanes.
Natural tungsten light !

Hi Chris,
That sounds like a big improvement on the the standard glow worm headlight quality! I guess we should all meet at on a dark & moonless night to compare brightness/ beam spread. That said it might be easier to herd up some cats...

Mr Gazza · 26-03-2018, 08:59 PM

H7 is a single filament bulb. Monsters use a twin filament H4 bulb.

Jez... What's so hard about heading to the top field at the Sharnbrook, after Dinner on Saturday night? An added Weekender activity?

I trust that you're not in the habit of a bit of light flashing in secluded laybys on Moonless nights??

Mossleymonster · 15-04-2018, 08:42 AM

I don't know if this is of any use, but spotted these and at £18 someone might want to try one...

https://www.banggood.com/7inch-H4-H1..._warehouse=USA

Mr Gazza · 15-04-2018, 09:44 AM

Good call Mossleymonster. Ought to be worth a punt at that price, some bulbs are more.

Driver looks like it would fit inside the shell, which is an advantage.
They do give an awful lot of waffle in the spec list before they get to any real figures. Seems to me that the unit is low on actual lumens but is VERY White light @6500-7000k.
My experience is that it will probably give a very "ghostly" light and dazzle third parties, but someone needs to try one of these to give an acid test.

I made my first overseas sale with an adapter kit (IOM)

. My customer is going to try a "Truck-lite" LED unit with integeral driver... No details on that yet.. Looking forward to a review.

Dukedesmo · 18-04-2018, 09:09 PM

With all this talk of headlight upgrades and, given my disappointment with my own (at least the high beam) I have fitted one of these LED units into my M900; https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/162962739...m=162962739217

My Monster doesn't actually have an OEM Monster headlight so I didn't need one of Mr Gazzas rings to fit it as it is already a 7" light so a straight fit (well almost as I did have to alter the retaining clips) - I do actually have one of Gary's rings but it is to use on my Guzzi which does have a Monster headlight

.

Anyway I previously had a HID bulb in a non HID housing which was very good for the dip beam but the high beam had no focus and just scattered away making it less than satisfactory.

I tried the headlight out today for the first time (bike has been laid up until this week with engine problems) and can say that I'm fairly pleased - the dip beam may not be quite as good as previously as, although bright it has some 'fragments' in the beam due to it having several LEDs rather than a single bulb but the full beam is much better than before.

Added bonus is I can do away with the ballast and the LED uses less current than either HID or conventional bulb putting less stress on the electrics.

I also took the opportunity to rewire the relay setup to be neater as previously it was an 'evolved' setup with various add-ons that were messy so now I have a neat bank of relays and fuses making everything easier on the eye and easier to access for any maintenance.

Jez900ie · 19-04-2018, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dukedesmo

With all this talk of headlight upgrades and, given my disappointment with my own (at least the high beam) I have fitted one of these LED units into my M900; https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/162962739...m=162962739217

My Monster doesn't actually have an OEM Monster headlight so I didn't need one of Mr Gazzas rings to fit it as it is already a 7" light so a straight fit (well almost as I did have to alter the retaining clips) - I do actually have one of Gary's rings but it is to use on my Guzzi which does have a Monster headlight

.

Anyway I previously had a HID bulb in a non HID housing which was very good for the dip beam but the high beam had no focus and just scattered away making it less than satisfactory.

I tried the headlight out today for the first time (bike has been laid up until this week with engine problems) and can say that I'm fairly pleased - the dip beam may not be quite as good as previously as, although bright it has some 'fragments' in the beam due to it having several LEDs rather than a single bulb but the full beam is much better than before.

Added bonus is I can do away with the ballast and the LED uses less current than either HID or conventional bulb putting less stress on the electrics.

I also took the opportunity to rewire the relay setup to be neater as previously it was an 'evolved' setup with various add-ons that were messy so now I have a neat bank of relays and fuses making everything easier on the eye and easier to access for any maintenance.

Nice work & looks good!

Darren69 · 19-04-2018, 07:02 PM

It looks very modern and its a nice job but I prefer the look of the Le Mans style that I have now. I know they're rubbish but they look nice. It actually took the MOT people 3 years to realise my Mirage had a left hand drive lens and I didn't realise either.

At the time I needed an original one for my Lav rebulld and I bought a complete s/hand unit from a ILOC member that had a spare new one with a smashed lens but he said he had a new spare one, which I fitted. That was £80 well spent. the rest of it was brand new though so not so bad.

jerry · 29-11-2018, 02:19 PM

Is the Cibie 180 unit from larkspeed the corrct one or is there a better beam type cibie

Mr Gazza · 29-11-2018, 05:22 PM

Jerry it was you who first flagged up the H180 on here as a recommendation!

That's the one we seem to be going for.
Cibie H180 = Valeo 082439 With side light (pilot light)

Without side light is Valeo 082441

As far as I know it is no longer made and Larkspeed buy old Valeo stock, which is apparently hard to get hold of at the moment. I have one on back order and expect delivery in January...Maybe.

There is a single H180 on Amazon for sixty some odd quid, ready for dispatch... Probably the last one in UK?

Darkness · 29-11-2018, 11:18 PM

Cibie Z180 are better in a car as they have a flatter dip beam, but are pretty rare now anyway. There are others listing 7" headlights, probably the H180:

https://www.moss-europe.co.uk/cibie-...s-7-52947.html

jerry · 30-11-2018, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Gazza

Jerry it was you who first flagged up the H180 on here as a recommendation!

That's the one we seem to be going for.
Cibie H180 = Valeo 082439 With side light (pilot light)

Without side light is Valeo 082441

As far as I know it is no longer made and Larkspeed buy old Valeo stock, which is apparently hard to get hold of at the moment. I have one on back order and expect delivery in January...Maybe.

There is a single H180 on Amazon for sixty some odd quid, ready for dispatch... Probably the last one in UK?

im getting forgetful now im 60 ha ha ..was the old Cibie used on bikes in the 70s a Z180 ???

Darkness · 30-11-2018, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerry

im getting forgetful now im 60 ha ha ..was the old Cibie used on bikes in the 70s a Z180 ???

Both were available in the 70s though both were designed for cars that don't lean in on bends.

The H180 came first, with the dip cut off flat on the offside and kicking up at about 25 degrees on the near side to better illuminate the verge/foot way.

The Z180 came later, and had a different dip beam cut off that better suited cars. It was similarly flat on the offside, but only kicked up a little at the centre to a slightly higher flat cut off on the near side. Zed shaped, which is probably where they got the name from.

I've tried both back in the 70s and since, but prefer the H180 on a bike as the Z180 doesn't suit being mounted higher than intended, nor leaning around corners.

Mr Gazza · 30-11-2018, 04:46 PM

Excellent info on the Cibies there Darkness. I remember Z-beams.
You linked to the non-sidelight H180 but they do list the pilot light version, although sadly out of stock...Sound familiar?
https://www.moss-europe.co.uk/headla...-glu71411.html

jerry · 18-02-2019, 02:21 PM

Gazza what brand of LED H4 bulb

Mr Gazza · 18-02-2019, 04:49 PM

Sorry Jerry I was going to post more details of the bulb but had to check out the insides of the old eyelids.!

It's this one. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2x-4-Side...72.m2749.l2649 You can put one in your bike and give the other to a mate.

As mentioned it is wired in the red box so that the dip is on all the time and the main is switched. That might account for the full spread of light. I wanted to try this out anyway by jiggering with the wiring on the bike, but now I don't need to.

There are loads of these H4 LEDs on ebay, nearly a matter of putting a pin in the page, as it's a bit of a minefield.

26-03-2018, 08:59 PM	#2
Mr Gazza Lord of the Rings Join Date: May 2013 Location: Norwich Bike: M900sie Posts: 5,834	H7 is a single filament bulb. Monsters use a twin filament H4 bulb. Jez... What's so hard about heading to the top field at the Sharnbrook, after Dinner on Saturday night? An added Weekender activity? I trust that you're not in the habit of a bit of light flashing in secluded laybys on Moonless nights?? __________________

15-04-2018, 08:42 AM	#3
Mossleymonster Registered User Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Barnsley Bike: M1100s Posts: 238	I don't know if this is of any use, but spotted these and at £18 someone might want to try one... https://www.banggood.com/7inch-H4-H1..._warehouse=USA __________________ Always remember. Your home is at risk if you set fire to it.

15-04-2018, 09:44 AM	#4
Mr Gazza Lord of the Rings Join Date: May 2013 Location: Norwich Bike: M900sie Posts: 5,834	Good call Mossleymonster. Ought to be worth a punt at that price, some bulbs are more. Driver looks like it would fit inside the shell, which is an advantage. They do give an awful lot of waffle in the spec list before they get to any real figures. Seems to me that the unit is low on actual lumens but is VERY White light @6500-7000k. My experience is that it will probably give a very "ghostly" light and dazzle third parties, but someone needs to try one of these to give an acid test. I made my first overseas sale with an adapter kit (IOM). My customer is going to try a "Truck-lite" LED unit with integeral driver... No details on that yet.. Looking forward to a review. __________________

18-04-2018, 09:09 PM	#5
Dukedesmo Registered User Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Leics Bike: M900 Posts: 2,844	With all this talk of headlight upgrades and, given my disappointment with my own (at least the high beam) I have fitted one of these LED units into my M900; https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/162962739...m=162962739217 My Monster doesn't actually have an OEM Monster headlight so I didn't need one of Mr Gazzas rings to fit it as it is already a 7" light so a straight fit (well almost as I did have to alter the retaining clips) - I do actually have one of Gary's rings but it is to use on my Guzzi which does have a Monster headlight . Anyway I previously had a HID bulb in a non HID housing which was very good for the dip beam but the high beam had no focus and just scattered away making it less than satisfactory. I tried the headlight out today for the first time (bike has been laid up until this week with engine problems) and can say that I'm fairly pleased - the dip beam may not be quite as good as previously as, although bright it has some 'fragments' in the beam due to it having several LEDs rather than a single bulb but the full beam is much better than before. Added bonus is I can do away with the ballast and the LED uses less current than either HID or conventional bulb putting less stress on the electrics. I also took the opportunity to rewire the relay setup to be neater as previously it was an 'evolved' setup with various add-ons that were messy so now I have a neat bank of relays and fuses making everything easier on the eye and easier to access for any maintenance. __________________ M900, 916, LeMans II.

19-04-2018, 07:02 PM	#7
Darren69 Transmaniacon MOC Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Sutton In Ashfield Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 6,026	It looks very modern and its a nice job but I prefer the look of the Le Mans style that I have now. I know they're rubbish but they look nice. It actually took the MOT people 3 years to realise my Mirage had a left hand drive lens and I didn't realise either. At the time I needed an original one for my Lav rebulld and I bought a complete s/hand unit from a ILOC member that had a spare new one with a smashed lens but he said he had a new spare one, which I fitted. That was £80 well spent. the rest of it was brand new though so not so bad. __________________ Roast Beef Monster! Termignoni and Bucci - Italian for pipe and slippers! S4 Fogarty, S4R 07T, 748, Series 1 Mirage

29-11-2018, 02:19 PM	#8
jerry Old Git Join Date: May 2006 Location: Cricklade Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 2,826	Is the Cibie 180 unit from larkspeed the corrct one or is there a better beam type cibie __________________ MONSTERMAN

29-11-2018, 05:22 PM	#9
Mr Gazza Lord of the Rings Join Date: May 2013 Location: Norwich Bike: M900sie Posts: 5,834	Jerry it was you who first flagged up the H180 on here as a recommendation! That's the one we seem to be going for. Cibie H180 = Valeo 082439 With side light (pilot light) Without side light is Valeo 082441 As far as I know it is no longer made and Larkspeed buy old Valeo stock, which is apparently hard to get hold of at the moment. I have one on back order and expect delivery in January...Maybe. There is a single H180 on Amazon for sixty some odd quid, ready for dispatch... Probably the last one in UK? __________________

29-11-2018, 11:18 PM	#10
Darkness . Join Date: May 2007 Location: Stockbridge Bike: M900 Posts: 1,984	Cibie Z180 are better in a car as they have a flatter dip beam, but are pretty rare now anyway. There are others listing 7" headlights, probably the H180: https://www.moss-europe.co.uk/cibie-...s-7-52947.html __________________ Original and Best since 1993

30-11-2018, 04:46 PM	#13
Mr Gazza Lord of the Rings Join Date: May 2013 Location: Norwich Bike: M900sie Posts: 5,834	Excellent info on the Cibies there Darkness. I remember Z-beams. You linked to the non-sidelight H180 but they do list the pilot light version, although sadly out of stock...Sound familiar? https://www.moss-europe.co.uk/headla...-glu71411.html __________________

18-02-2019, 02:21 PM	#14
jerry Old Git Join Date: May 2006 Location: Cricklade Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 2,826	Gazza what brand of LED H4 bulb __________________ MONSTERMAN

18-02-2019, 04:49 PM	#15
Mr Gazza Lord of the Rings Join Date: May 2013 Location: Norwich Bike: M900sie Posts: 5,834	Sorry Jerry I was going to post more details of the bulb but had to check out the insides of the old eyelids.! It's this one. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2x-4-Side...72.m2749.l2649 You can put one in your bike and give the other to a mate. As mentioned it is wired in the red box so that the dip is on all the time and the main is switched. That might account for the full spread of light. I wanted to try this out anyway by jiggering with the wiring on the bike, but now I don't need to. There are loads of these H4 LEDs on ebay, nearly a matter of putting a pin in the page, as it's a bit of a minefield. __________________