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i would humbly agree. hubba hubba high jinks ; off trots another elf. oops

Originally Posted by spacemonkey

Can't help thinking you might have a ringer there...

Aw come on people - stop frightening the new boy x

I would say it's a 'Bitsa' rather than a 'ringer' - and there's nothing wrong with that in itself as long as it's put together right - afterall, AK's bike is an M600 frame, 996 Swingarm, 916 forks, 900SS engine, S4 tank, jesters-hat tail piece (cut down now of course x) and that is no cause for concern...

As for the frame - looks like someone has just welded on a few brackets/lugs to a monster frame to me (again like AK's) but I wouldn't say it is suspicious...

Garish however, yes.

A touch more seriously for a moment - I come across lots of vehicles built from bits in my work for the Land Rover press, the vast majority of which are well put together using a series of interchangable parts together with some custom fabrications... as with this bike, I think the only real question is whether the modification work has been done to a satisfactory standard to be road-worthy, and that whether the DVLA feel it would be more appropriately registered on a Q-plate.

However, Q-plates can be/are an insuarance nightmare, especially for bikes - so be careful how deep you dig in this matter LD.

I do agree with GT in that perhaps you ought to discuss this situation with your insurance company, if only 'hypothetically' - just to make sure you are not left without cover... normally all they will require is an engineer's report on the vehicle.

xxx

If it is of any use to you I'll have look over the bike. Can't say I'll be able to shed any light on it but you never know.
I'm only at Rothwell, a mere stone's throw from Ossett.
Cheers
Ducati John.

Thanks for all the suggestions lads,
With ref. to HPI, the bloke I bought it off had it HPI'd when he bought it in Jan 2001. albeit with the dodgy frame No.
Obviously everything came back A OKAY because, if that frame number is ficticious it hasn't been reported or recorded stolen.
Welded on bits? Yes I think you might be right. The frame definately looks Monster to me but with front pegs as rearsets and back pegs from some other bike fitted to welded on lugs to rear part of frame.
The frame number on Log Book is different to one on frame. Can I just inform DVLA to change details? Nothing reported stolen to them so I presume no problem?
Insurance. If I get confirmation that it is Monster frame and Paso lump, I then inform Ins. Co. of this surely they will just alter records to suit.
Ducati John. I would be gratefull for the chance to let a Duke buff see it and add your penneth. Willing to come to Rothwell with it Sat. PM if thats OK.
Throw a pub name at me and time and I'll see you there.
Don't worry about knowing if it's me or not, you'll hear it coming from miles away and it will blind you from 100 paces.
Thanks again lads

LD

Originally Posted by Lucky Dave

The frame number on Log Book is different to one on frame. Can I just inform DVLA to change details? Nothing reported stolen to them so I presume no problem?

LD

No you cannot change the chassis number on the V5. You can change engine numbers but not frame numbers and this is the heart of your problem. It will need to be re-registered and subject to a vehicle inspection. You would also then need to produce a report from a marque specialist and they would need to verify the frame numbers which they cannot do. Otherwise its a Q plate, vehicle inspection, SVA and if they find ground off numbers then plod may want to xray the frame and find out what it was.

My advice is to return it to the seller and demand a full refund.

Ok Duncan I get your drift,
What if I have the bike HPI'd again using the numbers on the log book? and if every thing comes back OK, restamp the frame to original number?
If it doesn't come back Ok will it give me details of where, when etc. history?

LD

Richard_S

Hi Rich,
You said you could HPI my bike?

If you would be so kind.

Details

Reg. No. K614 SCU
Frame No. 007917
Eng. No. ZDM904A2C008173

Thanks a bunch mate.

LD

Originally Posted by Lucky Dave

Ok Duncan I get your drift,
What if I have the bike HPI'd again using the numbers on the log book? and if every thing comes back OK, restamp the frame to original number?
If it doesn't come back Ok will it give me details of where, when etc. history?

LD

If you restamp the frame then technically you are commiting an offence and could render yourself liable to prosecution. The real Ducati numbers are stamped with loads of pins to make each letter, the same as the engine. not with a single solid stamp therefore any alterations are obvious. The problem isnt yours, go and contact the seller and pay him a visit, he must have known about this when he sold it to you.

You are in a minefield mate. Duncan is right. My last Monster had an error on the V5 -it showed the engine and frame with the same numbers. To cut a long story short I had to have the bike inspected by the DVLA, then they wanted it re registered and asked me to fill in a form 2 ft long . It took the intervention of my Member of Parliament with the DVLA before they would agree that a clerical error had been made on the initial registration. They then corrected the error and issued a correct V5. Of course, when i did the initial AA HPI and gave them the correct engine and frame numbers they would not confirm the bike as AA HPI clear. Only when the DVLA corrected the records would they then issue confirmation.
If you have a DVLA inspection and they find any frame/engine numbers have been tampered/replaced they will refer your details to the local police for a full investigation.


JR

right

Make - Unknown
Model - Unknown

VIN - FR11958D

MOTORCYCLE - YELLOW
FIRST REG 26/01/1993

904 CC

ENGINE NUMBER - ZDM904A2C*008173*

ORIGINAL COLOUR - BLACK
YELLOW 08/10/1998

5 OWNERS

Thats the crux of it ; i can fax if that would help?

Last change of keeper 22/01/2003

despite all the gunf it says its never had a plate change.

Thanks Rich,
But that is exactly the same HPI check that the previous owner gave me.
Don't want to be a pain but did you try with VIN 007917
This is what's on the Log book V5.

I've also had another thought.
Why don't I buy a second hand frame with V5 and put all my bits on?
Anyone got one going spare (and cheap?)

LD

there was a cheap 'bent' on ebay a couple of days ago. with logbook.
but all the scallies in the country were after the logbook to do exactely the same thing: transfer the id of the bent frame onto something 'hot'

Hmmmm. Come to think of it, who would want to sell a perfectly straight Monnie frame?

LD

exactly, and you would still have to re register plus a bit of welding. ignore the doom mongers, it will all be fine! just a case of yet another streety with a bit of paper missing...heres an exposed paso, which begs the question who would leave it naked after a costly body panel wrenching spill? answer :no one! as the frame is a bit of a dog.....
good luck with the dvla.
Alex.
then get painting!