Thanks for that cat, don't worry a the bikes already got enough carbon and b I don't really like it that much anyway! I'm hoping these rizoma bars do the trick, as the pain is exactly how you describe it, funnily enough I moved away from the plastic fantastic bikes (I had a 1000rr previously) for more comfort ha ha, seems to have bit me on the a#s!!! I will also look at some levers, really impressed with the pazzos I have on the nc, so will look at those, hang on there's a nick at the door, my bars have arrived!!! I this works