ECU compatibility

Nasher · 12-05-2021, 01:58 PM

I currently have a 2003 1000SSie DS, and a 2004 M1000S.
Both have the same Duel Spark motor, and appear to have the same ECU.

Both have K&N filters and Ducati Performance Remus exhaust cans.

The 1000SS is bit of an unknown quantity and appears to run well, but I believe has the standard map on the ECU.
The M1000 came to me fitted with a Dynojet Power commander, and also appears to run OK, but I've not had it on the road yet.

I have the option to take both bikes to Moto Rapido, when they can fit me in, and have them re-map both properly for what has to be said is a considerable amount of cash.

A cheaper option is to purchase a used DP ECU for each of them, because what I've in effect created is the options that the DP ECU map was developed to run with.

At the moment there are a couple of DP ECUs on Ebay, one for a SC 1000 Paul Smart , and one for an S2R1000.
Both these bikes use the same Engine and ECU as the bikes I have.

So, apart from having the immobilisers disabled, is there any reason why I can't use the SC 1000 Paul Smart and S2R1000 ECUs in the 1000SS and M1000?

Thanks

Nasher.

slob · 12-05-2021, 02:11 PM

Yours should both be IAW59M.
S2R (IAW5AW) is slightly different, it has lambda sensor input and stepper-motor (enrichener) control.
Don't know about the details of the SC.

Either way a DP ECU is still an approximation, like a mail order remap. The best results will always be with a dyno run that will match the remap to your precise motor configuration, it's labour intensive and hence more expensive (not to mention the investment in the dyno). If you go the dyno route you should be able to ditch the power Commander first.

Nasher · 12-05-2021, 02:16 PM

Oh well done Mr Slob, you've saved me an expensive mistake.

So the S2R is akin to the Multistrada 1000 instead.

Nasher.

slob · 12-05-2021, 02:17 PM

http://www.ukmonster.co.uk/monster/s...18&postcount=4

slob · 12-05-2021, 02:20 PM

Are the engine's all the same? Not sure, you'd have to trawl parts books looking at part numbers for cams etc.
The ECUs are the same hardware, I don't know whether the maps are the same.

Nasher · 12-05-2021, 02:24 PM

From what I've seen the Engines are the same mechanically, but was being a little lazy and asked the question of those that have far more knowledge than I.

Thanks

Nasher.

Nasher · 12-05-2021, 02:28 PM

Just had a very quick search on Stein Dinse.

According to them the Camshafts for both cylinders fit:
Ducati 1000 SS i.e.
Ducati Monster 1000 `03
Ducati Monster 1000 S `04
Ducati Monster S2R 1000 `06
Ducati Multistrada 1000 DS

This suggests they are all the same.

The sport classic isn't mentioned, but it's not covered by their website at all.

Nasher.

slob · 12-05-2021, 02:32 PM

http://www.avantiraceparts.co.uk/page.php?id=15
http://www.avantiraceparts.co.uk/page.php?id=19
http://www.avantiraceparts.co.uk/page.php?id=32
maybe drop him an email

Nasher · 12-05-2021, 02:36 PM

Ah, but on parts sites dedicated to newer models the SC1000 camshafts do have different part numbers.

So probably not going tyo work.

Nasher · 12-05-2021, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slob

http://www.avantiraceparts.co.uk/page.php?id=15
http://www.avantiraceparts.co.uk/page.php?id=19
http://www.avantiraceparts.co.uk/page.php?id=32
maybe drop him an email

Thanks Slob.

Lots of data there for me to pour through.

Avanti were not particularly helpful when I was trying to sort out other issues with my 1000SS.
"Post us the ECU and clocks and we'll get back to you in a few weeks" wasn't any good for my impatient nature.

Nasher.

slob · 12-05-2021, 02:42 PM

I know him through DD racing, he's repaired and flashed ECUs for me before.
Not his main job, so he can be forgiven if it's not the fastest turnaround in the world.

Kato · 12-05-2021, 03:47 PM

Agree with Slob, Antony is an OK bloke, give him a chance.

Nasher · 12-05-2021, 03:53 PM

Sorry guys, but "we'll get back to you in a few weeks" is just a crap thing to say to a customer.

It usually means chase us in a few weeks, we might have your part to you in a couple of months when you've chased us some more.

slob · 12-05-2021, 04:00 PM

maybe... but (assuming it was eg. a circuit board repair) better than over-promising on a subcontractor he can't control

Kato · 12-05-2021, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nasher

Ah, but on parts sites dedicated to newer models the SC1000 camshafts do have different part numbers.

So probably not going tyo work.

The reason you are seeing differing part No's is

There are 2 types of std cam for the 1000 engine, be it SS,SC,DS..... the only difference being the later engines had a thinner journal, hence there are also different end caps, you can use either just make sure you either have the correct end cap or you will have to use shims

There are also 2 corresponding versions of the DP cam same profile different Part No

As for the ECU as Rob has already mentioned mail order remap is not the best option, however either of the ECU's mentioned will accept any map you give them, and will work with the correct map on either bike, the map dictates what pinout of the ecu does, hence if you remove a function from the bike you can switch off that pin in the ecu

12-05-2021, 01:58 PM	#1
Nasher Registered User Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Portsmouth Bike: M900 Posts: 1,510	ECU compatibility I currently have a 2003 1000SSie DS, and a 2004 M1000S. Both have the same Duel Spark motor, and appear to have the same ECU. Both have K&N filters and Ducati Performance Remus exhaust cans. The 1000SS is bit of an unknown quantity and appears to run well, but I believe has the standard map on the ECU. The M1000 came to me fitted with a Dynojet Power commander, and also appears to run OK, but I've not had it on the road yet. I have the option to take both bikes to Moto Rapido, when they can fit me in, and have them re-map both properly for what has to be said is a considerable amount of cash. A cheaper option is to purchase a used DP ECU for each of them, because what I've in effect created is the options that the DP ECU map was developed to run with. At the moment there are a couple of DP ECUs on Ebay, one for a SC 1000 Paul Smart , and one for an S2R1000. Both these bikes use the same Engine and ECU as the bikes I have. So, apart from having the immobilisers disabled, is there any reason why I can't use the SC 1000 Paul Smart and S2R1000 ECUs in the 1000SS and M1000? Thanks Nasher. __________________ Heaven doesn't want me, and Hell is afraid I'll take over.

12-05-2021, 02:11 PM	#2
slob . Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: East London Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 9,713	Yours should both be IAW59M. S2R (IAW5AW) is slightly different, it has lambda sensor input and stepper-motor (enrichener) control. Don't know about the details of the SC. Either way a DP ECU is still an approximation, like a mail order remap. The best results will always be with a dyno run that will match the remap to your precise motor configuration, it's labour intensive and hence more expensive (not to mention the investment in the dyno). If you go the dyno route you should be able to ditch the power Commander first. Last edited by slob; 12-05-2021 at 02:16 PM..

12-05-2021, 02:16 PM	#3
Nasher Registered User Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Portsmouth Bike: M900 Posts: 1,510	Oh well done Mr Slob, you've saved me an expensive mistake. So the S2R is akin to the Multistrada 1000 instead. Nasher. __________________ Heaven doesn't want me, and Hell is afraid I'll take over.

12-05-2021, 02:24 PM	#6
Nasher Registered User Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Portsmouth Bike: M900 Posts: 1,510	From what I've seen the Engines are the same mechanically, but was being a little lazy and asked the question of those that have far more knowledge than I. Thanks Nasher. __________________ Heaven doesn't want me, and Hell is afraid I'll take over.

12-05-2021, 02:28 PM	#7
Nasher Registered User Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Portsmouth Bike: M900 Posts: 1,510	Just had a very quick search on Stein Dinse. According to them the Camshafts for both cylinders fit: Ducati 1000 SS i.e. Ducati Monster 1000 `03 Ducati Monster 1000 S `04 Ducati Monster S2R 1000 `06 Ducati Multistrada 1000 DS This suggests they are all the same. The sport classic isn't mentioned, but it's not covered by their website at all. Nasher. __________________ Heaven doesn't want me, and Hell is afraid I'll take over.

12-05-2021, 02:17 PM	#4
slob . Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: East London Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 9,713	http://www.ukmonster.co.uk/monster/s...18&postcount=4

12-05-2021, 02:20 PM	#5
slob . Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: East London Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 9,713	Are the engine's all the same? Not sure, you'd have to trawl parts books looking at part numbers for cams etc. The ECUs are the same hardware, I don't know whether the maps are the same.

12-05-2021, 02:32 PM	#8
slob . Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: East London Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 9,713	http://www.avantiraceparts.co.uk/page.php?id=15 http://www.avantiraceparts.co.uk/page.php?id=19 http://www.avantiraceparts.co.uk/page.php?id=32 maybe drop him an email Last edited by slob; 12-05-2021 at 02:35 PM..

12-05-2021, 02:36 PM	#9
Nasher Registered User Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Portsmouth Bike: M900 Posts: 1,510	Ah, but on parts sites dedicated to newer models the SC1000 camshafts do have different part numbers. So probably not going tyo work. __________________ Heaven doesn't want me, and Hell is afraid I'll take over.

12-05-2021, 02:42 PM	#11
slob . Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: East London Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 9,713	I know him through DD racing, he's repaired and flashed ECUs for me before. Not his main job, so he can be forgiven if it's not the fastest turnaround in the world.

12-05-2021, 03:47 PM	#12
Kato Dismantled Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: East Molesey Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 2,227	Agree with Slob, Antony is an OK bloke, give him a chance. __________________ "Political correctness is just intellectual colonialism and psychological fascism for the creation of thought crime"

12-05-2021, 03:53 PM	#13
Nasher Registered User Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Portsmouth Bike: M900 Posts: 1,510	Sorry guys, but "we'll get back to you in a few weeks" is just a crap thing to say to a customer. It usually means chase us in a few weeks, we might have your part to you in a couple of months when you've chased us some more. __________________ Heaven doesn't want me, and Hell is afraid I'll take over.

12-05-2021, 04:00 PM	#14
slob . Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: East London Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 9,713	maybe... but (assuming it was eg. a circuit board repair) better than over-promising on a subcontractor he can't control