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Old 16-07-2020, 11:25 AM   #16
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I just had another look at the Italian website that Chris linked to and noticed that the text has changed slightly since yesterday. Rather than claiming this is the definitive image of next year's Monster, they're now saying it is merely an artist's impression drawn up by Das Motorrad magazine.

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Well spotted Ludds,wouldn't be surprised though if that rendition is close to what actually appears.
Thinking more about it...for me it just doesn't look right without a single sided swing arm and the frame looks a bit cumbersome somehow,just my opinion of course.
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Old 13-09-2020, 04:20 PM   #17
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More clues about the next Monster. No details of the source of the sketches but it does seem as though the trellis frame will be dropped for the next generation.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/d...gn-first-look/



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Old 13-09-2020, 05:39 PM   #18
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looks a whole lot better than the last mocked-up pics that got publicised
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Old 14-09-2020, 01:15 PM   #19
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Slightly ironic that the trademark monster trellis frame is being dumped at the very same time when BMW and Kawasaki are using it!!
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Old 14-09-2020, 01:54 PM   #20
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Slightly ironic that the trademark monster trellis frame is being dumped at the very same time when BMW and Kawasaki are using it!!
...and, of course, KTM making a success of it in MotoGP.
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Old 14-09-2020, 03:09 PM   #21
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I don't mind it actually. I'm not opposed to change. After all, if things didn't change then loads of people would still be riding around on Bonnevilles! Oh, wait...

I don't even mind the conventional frame and swing arm. Will I chop the Evo in for one? Probably not, but never say never.
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Old 15-09-2020, 10:39 AM   #22
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This rendering is significantly better than the previous 'spy shots' but I'm yet to be convinced.

I can't think of a time when a concept rendering has looked as good in real life - once the design by committee brigade have had their twopenneth.

The trellis frame is just too iconic to be dropped (for my money).

As someone who will finally be dropping cash on a Monster in the near future I suspect my on-going hunt for a grey 1200s isn't going to be cut short for one of these.
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looks a whole lot better than the last mocked-up pics that got publicised
It does indeed.

It’s a pity they have to put so much plastic shrouding on the engines now. There could be almost anything in there now instead of an L twin.
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Old 15-09-2020, 01:19 PM   #24
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It’s a pity they have to put so much plastic shrouding on the engines now. The could be almost anything in there now instead of an L twin.
Agreed. It might as well be electric..
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...as long as you don’t mind it weighing an extra 75kg and taking half a day to ‘fill up’
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Ha ha! "Resistance" is a problem with electricity.

75kg, all day?? Do all presidents exaggerate untruths?
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There you go. 47 kg heavier than a 1200 Monster, charges in 30 minutes, Red, Italian and it's got a trellis frame.
Oh, and does 150mph..

https://www.englishelectricmotorco.com/energica-eva-2/
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Old 15-09-2020, 05:08 PM   #28
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....Do all presidents exaggerate untruths?
Electric bikes are a myth, they simply don’t exist ;-)
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Old 15-09-2020, 05:29 PM   #29
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There you go. 47 kg heavier than a 1200 Monster, charges in 30 minutes, Red, Italian and it's got a trellis frame.
Oh, and does 150mph..

https://www.englishelectricmotorco.com/energica-eva-2/
............... I actually quite like that !!, whats the range between charges................ok so now I have looked at the website its 100 miles, just banged my head on the table when I fell of my chair....23 grand !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Electric bikes are a myth, they simply don’t exist ;-)
I see what you did there.. Fake news eh?

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............... I actually quite like that !!, whats the range between charges................ok so now I have looked at the website its 100 miles, just banged my head on the table when I fell of my chair....23 grand !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah I like it too and I'm on a list for a test ride soon.

I just did some sums and it's big numbers. I reckon £23k would get me about 21000 miles on my Monster, not counting the initial purchase of the bike or maintenance items like clutch parts, spark plugs, chains and sprockets and so forth. Nor about £40 quids worth of oil every year which has to be disposed of.
With an electric bike you're basically putting tyres on it and insuring it.
I'm not very good at maths so I don't know how good those figures are but I reckon you'd be ahead of the game with an electric bike after 4 or 5 years?

It would be interesting to compare the cost per mile of electric versus a Monster, but the real advantages are a beautiful riding experience, seamless power delivery, no noise pollution and no air pollution (if renewable energy is used.)
I really want one and I think Ducati are dragging their feet by not developing one and just wasting time and resource by bringing out yet another petrol engined bike which is nothing special at all, just a different shape.
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