Ethanol test for pump petrol

Darren69 · 26-07-2019, 06:39 PM

It was clear before brexit that the E5 fuel was a stop-gap before they brought in E10. If E5 causes problems for older vehicles then E10 will be twice as bad. But do they care when the motives are to remove older less environmentally friendly vehicles off the road. You wouldhave thought with brexit we would be free from the eurocrats behind this but apparently not.

Luddite · 26-07-2019, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Darren69

It was clear before brexit that the E5 fuel was a stop-gap before they brought in E10. If E5 causes problems for older vehicles then E10 will be twice as bad.

I'll put this in here for future reference in case we get really desperate. Mentioned in the Bike magazine article I referred to earlier, (post #49), it's a small independent fuel supplier who can provide 20 litre barrels of ethanol-free fuel delivered to your door, (at a price, of course!).

They are called Classic Fuel Solutions https://classicfuelsolutions.co.uk/

In the meantime, as I mentioned earlier at post #36, the consultation document suggests that there will still be a legal requirement for oil companies to provide so-called 'protection grade' fuel of not more than 5% ethanol until 31 December 2020 at the earliest with renewal to be considered at that time.

Nickj · 03-01-2020, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Luddite

I'll put this in here for future reference in case we get really desperate. Mentioned in the Bike magazine article I referred to earlier, (post #49), it's a small independent fuel supplier who can provide 20 litre barrels of ethanol-free fuel delivered to your door, (at a price, of course!).

They are called Classic Fuel Solutions https://classicfuelsolutions.co.uk/

In the meantime, as I mentioned earlier at post #36, the consultation document suggests that there will still be a legal requirement for oil companies to provide so-called 'protection grade' fuel of not more than 5% ethanol until 31 December 2020 at the earliest with renewal to be considered at that time.

But only if you don't have lambda sensors

Luddite · 04-03-2020, 03:44 PM

Further to post #53 above, a consultation has been opened today on the introduction of E10 fuel into the UK. It runs until 19 April.

https://www.gov.uk/government/consul...ing-e10-petrol

A quick skim through the proposals suggests that the main points are:

• E10 would be introduced in 2021.
• E10 would become the standard 'premium' fuel containing at least 5.5% ethanol.
• Protection grade fuel (i.e. containing less than 5% ethanol) will continue to be made available as 97+ octane 'super' until at least 2026, after which extension of its availability would be reviewed.

I think most of us have an opinion about ethanol in fuel but, if you feel strongly about this latest move, rather than just moan about it on the forum, make your feelings known to those who will be drawing up the future legislation. Complete one of these response forms.

https://assets.publishing.service.go...ponse-form.odt

And email it to: LowCarbonFuel.Consultation@dft.gov.uk

I think we need to ensure that the protection grade fuel is available beyond 2026 until at least such time as the ban on new internal combustion engine vehicles is introduced.

bigredduke · 04-03-2020, 04:32 PM

There was an article on this in today's Times. Thanks for posting.

boris · 04-03-2020, 08:21 PM

Also heard this (unfortunately) on the R4 Today program this morning..

Luddite · 05-03-2020, 01:05 PM

I, (and jerry!), have sent in our response forms and I would urge anyone else with an opinion to do likewise.

The form is mostly in the form of yes or no questions but the final question on the last page is an 'additional comments' blank space on which you can make your feelings known.

It's not for me to tell anyone else what to write but, for the record, I mentioned the following:

• Ethanol causes damage to plastic tanks and carburettor/fuel system components in older vehicles so, consequently...
• Protection grade fuel (i.e. less than 5% ethanol) should continue to be available as long as possible after the introduction of E10 and at least until 2026.
• There is currently no statutory minimum ethanol content, (which is why we can still get Esso ethanol-free), and this should continue after the introduction of E10.
• Assuming that there will be no statutory minimum ethanol content, there should be a new 'E0' label for ethanol-free fuel so that consumers can easily identify it.

26-07-2019, 06:39 PM	#1
Darren69 Transmaniacon MOC Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Sutton In Ashfield Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 6,026	It was clear before brexit that the E5 fuel was a stop-gap before they brought in E10. If E5 causes problems for older vehicles then E10 will be twice as bad. But do they care when the motives are to remove older less environmentally friendly vehicles off the road. You wouldhave thought with brexit we would be free from the eurocrats behind this but apparently not. __________________ Roast Beef Monster! Termignoni and Bucci - Italian for pipe and slippers! S4 Fogarty, S4R 07T, 748, Series 1 Mirage

04-03-2020, 08:21 PM	#6
boris More Tools! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Forres Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 296	Also heard this (unfortunately) on the R4 Today program this morning.. __________________ Boris from Forres

04-03-2020, 03:44 PM	#4
Luddite Registered User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Southampton Bike: M1100evo Posts: 2,465	Further to post #53 above, a consultation has been opened today on the introduction of E10 fuel into the UK. It runs until 19 April. https://www.gov.uk/government/consul...ing-e10-petrol A quick skim through the proposals suggests that the main points are: • E10 would be introduced in 2021. • E10 would become the standard 'premium' fuel containing at least 5.5% ethanol. • Protection grade fuel (i.e. containing less than 5% ethanol) will continue to be made available as 97+ octane 'super' until at least 2026, after which extension of its availability would be reviewed. I think most of us have an opinion about ethanol in fuel but, if you feel strongly about this latest move, rather than just moan about it on the forum, make your feelings known to those who will be drawing up the future legislation. Complete one of these response forms. https://assets.publishing.service.go...ponse-form.odt And email it to: LowCarbonFuel.Consultation@dft.gov.uk I think we need to ensure that the protection grade fuel is available beyond 2026 until at least such time as the ban on new internal combustion engine vehicles is introduced. Last edited by Luddite; 05-03-2020 at 12:18 PM.. Reason: email address for response form added

04-03-2020, 04:32 PM	#5
bigredduke Nothing to see here Join Date: May 2005 Location: brough Bike: M1100evo Posts: 1,546	There was an article on this in today's Times. Thanks for posting.

05-03-2020, 01:05 PM	#7
Luddite Registered User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Southampton Bike: M1100evo Posts: 2,465	I, (and jerry!), have sent in our response forms and I would urge anyone else with an opinion to do likewise. The form is mostly in the form of yes or no questions but the final question on the last page is an 'additional comments' blank space on which you can make your feelings known. It's not for me to tell anyone else what to write but, for the record, I mentioned the following: • Ethanol causes damage to plastic tanks and carburettor/fuel system components in older vehicles so, consequently... • Protection grade fuel (i.e. less than 5% ethanol) should continue to be available as long as possible after the introduction of E10 and at least until 2026. • There is currently no statutory minimum ethanol content, (which is why we can still get Esso ethanol-free), and this should continue after the introduction of E10. • Assuming that there will be no statutory minimum ethanol content, there should be a new 'E0' label for ethanol-free fuel so that consumers can easily identify it.