2006 S4R Coils

Wrider · 21-07-2019, 08:12 AM

Hi all is it possible to get new coils? And from where? Bike cuts out when warm at slow speeds.
All the info I’ve found leads me to believe it’s the coils, I’d rather buy new than used.

Luddite · 21-07-2019, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Wrider

Hi all is it possible to get new coils? And from where? Bike cuts out when warm at slow speeds.
All the info I’ve found leads me to believe it’s the coils, I’d rather buy new than used.

There was a thread about this very subject some time back

http://www.ukmonster.co.uk/monster/s...ad.php?t=42128

They are still available but you'll probably need deep pockets and long arms if you're buying new! Give Craig and Luke a ring at Moto Rapido 01962 873981 and you'll get 10% for being a UKMOC member.

Luddite · 21-07-2019, 09:10 AM

I just read the second thread http://www.ukmonster.co.uk/monster/s...ad.php?t=37946 that was linked to in the first one and it seems CBR600 coils will work for a fraction of the price.

Darren69 · 21-07-2019, 11:02 AM

You'd be unlucky if both coils have failed together at the same time. The ones from Ducati are about 150 quid each! Honda and Suzuki use the same but cheaper.

Wrider · 22-07-2019, 10:04 AM

Pulled the Coil from the horizontal cylinder and it’s split, called Ducati Nottingham and it’s £189! Will definitely be looking at the alternatives.

Darren69 · 22-07-2019, 10:21 AM

Gone up since I last bought one a few years ago then! CBR or GSXR 600's I've been told use the same ones, not sure which years. It's a Nippon Denso part so should be easy to find some.

Luddite · 22-07-2019, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Wrider

Pulled the Coil from the horizontal cylinder and it’s split, called Ducati Nottingham and it’s £189! Will definitely be looking at the alternatives.

you look on the Stein Dinse site, they have an alternative (38040031A-Z) for €79.50 instead of €197.87 (38040031A).

https://www.stein-dinse.biz/product_...ucts_id=453033

See what Moto Rapido quote for it and don't forget to ask for your discount.

Alternatively, there are pattern coils here for £57.50

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ignition-...-/112136664745

But there's no indication of their provenance - if they're Chinese, then there are similar alternatives out there for a lot less again. (But would you trust them?)

Wrider · 22-07-2019, 12:28 PM

Thanks.

Moto rapido quoted 170 with discount ��. Not sure i could bring myself to put pattern parts on my baby lol

mickj · 22-07-2019, 01:09 PM

What kind of plug does the coil have, looks similar to my MZ coil and I get them for £20-30.

Darren69 · 22-07-2019, 02:30 PM

What does it matter? They're all probably made in China anyway!

Luddite · 22-07-2019, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Wrider

Thanks.

Moto rapido quoted 170 with discount ��. Not sure i could bring myself to put pattern parts on my baby lol

Was that for 38040031A or the alternative 38040031A-Z. Moto Rapido's prices are usually close to Stein Dinse's so I'd have expected them to be around £65 for 38040031A-Z including discount.

Wrider · 22-07-2019, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Luddite

Was that for 38040031A or the alternative 38040031A-Z. Moto Rapido's prices are usually close to Stein Dinse's so I'd have expected them to be around £65 for 38040031A-Z including discount.

Couldn’t tell you, I just asked for a coil stick for a 2006 S4R.

Luddite · 22-07-2019, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Wrider

Couldn’t tell you, I just asked for a coil stick for a 2006 S4R.

I spoke to Luke earlier and asked about this 'alternative' part no. 38040031A-Z and he said that's not actually a Ducati part no. His best guess was that it was just the number Stein Dinse had given it and it's most likely to be the Denso equivalent (as suggested by the 12900-4201 alternative number on the Stein Dinse page).

Wrider · 22-07-2019, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Luddite

you look on the Stein Dinse site, they have an alternative (38040031A-Z) for €79.50 instead of €197.87 (38040031A).

https://www.stein-dinse.biz/product_...ucts_id=453033

See what Moto Rapido quote for it and don't forget to ask for your discount.

Alternatively, there are pattern coils here for £57.50

[url]https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ignition-Coil-Plug-Cap-Kawasaki-ZX600K-M-N-P-ZX636C-D-ZX6R-Each-38040031A
But there's no indication of their provenance - if they're Chinese, then there are similar alternatives out there for a lot less again. (But would you trust them?)

Do the S4 and S4R use the same plug?

Luddite · 22-07-2019, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Wrider

Do the S4 and S4R use the same plug?

A quick check of the parts books for each model shows they share the same coil (38040031A) up to and including 2006. (The 2007 S4R is different.)

Put this address in your favourites as it's a quick and easy reference for parts books back to 2000 https://www.ducatiomaha.com/pages/ducati-oem-parts

21-07-2019, 08:12 AM	#1
Wrider Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Telford Bike: S4r Posts: 174	2006 S4R Coils Hi all is it possible to get new coils? And from where? Bike cuts out when warm at slow speeds. All the info I’ve found leads me to believe it’s the coils, I’d rather buy new than used.

21-07-2019, 11:02 AM	#4
Darren69 Transmaniacon MOC Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Sutton In Ashfield Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 6,022	You'd be unlucky if both coils have failed together at the same time. The ones from Ducati are about 150 quid each! Honda and Suzuki use the same but cheaper. __________________ Roast Beef Monster! Termignoni and Bucci - Italian for pipe and slippers! S4 Fogarty, S4R 07T, 748, Series 1 Mirage

22-07-2019, 10:21 AM	#6
Darren69 Transmaniacon MOC Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Sutton In Ashfield Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 6,022	Gone up since I last bought one a few years ago then! CBR or GSXR 600's I've been told use the same ones, not sure which years. It's a Nippon Denso part so should be easy to find some. __________________ Roast Beef Monster! Termignoni and Bucci - Italian for pipe and slippers! S4 Fogarty, S4R 07T, 748, Series 1 Mirage

22-07-2019, 01:09 PM	#9
mickj Registered User Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Clevedon Bike: M1200s Posts: 553	What kind of plug does the coil have, looks similar to my MZ coil and I get them for £20-30. __________________ Keep the rubber side down. Mick

22-07-2019, 02:30 PM	#10
Darren69 Transmaniacon MOC Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Sutton In Ashfield Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 6,022	What does it matter? They're all probably made in China anyway! __________________ Roast Beef Monster! Termignoni and Bucci - Italian for pipe and slippers! S4 Fogarty, S4R 07T, 748, Series 1 Mirage

21-07-2019, 09:10 AM	#3
Luddite Registered User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Southampton Bike: M1100evo Posts: 2,465	I just read the second thread http://www.ukmonster.co.uk/monster/s...ad.php?t=37946 that was linked to in the first one and it seems CBR600 coils will work for a fraction of the price.

22-07-2019, 10:04 AM	#5
Wrider Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Telford Bike: S4r Posts: 174	Pulled the Coil from the horizontal cylinder and it’s split, called Ducati Nottingham and it’s £189! Will definitely be looking at the alternatives.

22-07-2019, 12:28 PM	#8
Wrider Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Telford Bike: S4r Posts: 174	Thanks. Moto rapido quoted 170 with discount ��. Not sure i could bring myself to put pattern parts on my baby lol