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23-10-2019, 04:25 PM

Welcome to our humble forum, you meet the best Monster people here. I 'third' the Niel @ Cornerspeed idea. I've a 696 and he flashed it by post. 3 day turn around, not bad time.
I've got no lumpiness at all and it's like a completely different beast all through the revs.
I've got Termi's, K&N air filter and standard sprocket teeth sizes. Next is something to replace the adequate Bridgestone 023's.

Bob E

Starla · 23-10-2019, 04:53 PM

Hello again,

Just back from Moto Rapido an hour later, and more posts from you kind people. Much appreciated.

2nd time I've been there, 2nd time I've said "Monster 796", 2nd time I've been looked at like I'm from another planet, and shown the door !! Jeez, it was a current model only 5 years ago ....... BTW Their website refers to them Dyno-ing bikes. They admitted they don't even have a Dyno, but it's occasionally "outsourced". Won't be going back there again.

Anyway, I will ring Neil at Cornerspeed tomorrow, and Thanks for all the thumbs up there. I was beginning to worry I was stuck with a very difficult to ride bike !! .........

Thanks also for all the info on the Ohlins Spring, part no etc. I'd noted M&H from reading on the forum, and I have a friend in Chippenham I can go see. But SURELY I can order a shock spring from my local dealer Snells and ask them to fit it ??!! I'll pop in there in the next few days (15 mins away).

Really friendly and informative forum. Thanks for ALL the help.

Starla x

Mr Gazza · 23-10-2019, 05:35 PM

As far as I know, Glenn at 2Brothers Motorcycles at Andover still has a dyno.
They've done some really good work with it (on at least their second dyno now) and they really know their stuff...Might be worth a phone call.

At the risk of stating the bleedin' obvious... Before any dyno work or re-flashing, do you know if the valve clearances are within spec? If not, they should be checked and serviced if needed.
I generally reckon on a 6000 miles service life out of spark plugs. So worth checking those too... Don't forget to check the gaps.
I'm assuming here that you know when the bike was last serviced properly, if you didn't do this yourself?
Important to get these things right before resorting to dynos and re-maps.... Sorry if you already know how to suck eggs..

Darren69 · 23-10-2019, 06:38 PM

Neil Cornerspeec used to have a 796 so he should be able to advise you on mods etc.

Starla · 25-10-2019, 06:22 PM

Hi All,

Have now taken the ECU out to go to Neil tomorrow for a re-flash, and disconnected the Lambda sensors.

Next, to order a new Ohlins Spring for the rear !

Cheers
Starla

Luddite · 25-10-2019, 08:23 PM

Good move, sending off the ECU! When you refit it, you'll need to run the engine without touching the throttle until it shows three bars on the temperature gauge. This will reset the throttle position sensor.

Also note that the bike may feel odd for the first couple of hundred miles while the ECU relearns the auto-adaptive parameters. Don't worry, it'll soon settle down. http://www.ukmonster.co.uk/monster/s...ad.php?t=55198

Now you've removed your lambda sensors, it's advisable to protect the exposed connectors from moisture either with some silicon grease or with some proper blanking plugs. http://www.ukmonster.co.uk/monster/s...08&postcount=5

Don't forget to let us know how it feels once you've done the ECU and spring.

Starla · 26-10-2019, 04:35 PM

Thanks Luddite,

Neil will have Monday.

I've seen your posts on TPS reset and blanking the Lamdas - I have some something suitable. I didn't say I have already done the 14t & G2 throttle tamer.

Ohlins Spring is only available online from Germany/Italy, so I'll speak to Snells 1st, then MH Racing. Also FTR suspension may have one.

However, the Fuelling is my priority.

Thanks again
Starla

Luddite · 26-10-2019, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Starla

...the Fuelling is my priority.

You've definitely got your priorities right, Laurence. If you were only to make one modification, this is the one I'd choose.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starla

Ohlins Spring is only available online from Germany/Italy, so I'll speak to Snells 1st, then MH Racing. Also FTR suspension may have one.

I got my first spring from Crescent in Verwood and my current one from Mark at MH Racing so you shouldn't have any problem sourcing one from the UK.

And, by the way, what's a 'G2 throttle tamer'?

I've never heard of that.

Starla · 26-10-2019, 11:28 PM

https://www.g2ergo.com/shop/g2-stree...e-tube-ducati/

Doesn't seem to do too much, but the idea is that is smoothest out jerky throttles. I had one put on my 796 when the dealer did the servicing and prep to my specs before purchase.

Lots of our US Monseter brethren have had them put on. Was easy to source in EU. I can tell you where I got it, if you're interested.

Starla

Maggsy · 27-10-2019, 10:32 AM

Welcome aboard Starla.
Sent my ECU to Cornerspeed for a re-flash and fitted 14t front sprocket on my 696, much smoother and better acceleration!
May be a bit far for you, but Richard at Lougi Moto near Bristol knows his stuff and his prices are very reasonable, nice bloke too. http://www.louigimoto.com/

Luddite · 28-10-2019, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Starla

I can tell you where I got it, if you're interested.

That's a good-looking piece of kit - I do like a nice bit of machined billet. Seems a shame to cover it with a grip rubber! I'm happy with my throttle response though since Neil waved his magic wand, so at least that's one less thing I'll need to buy.

Starla · 28-10-2019, 04:49 PM

Yes,

Lovely aluminum billet, then all covered up !! Didn't seem to "do" much though !

Ordered the Ohlins spring today from TRF (had in stock), and re-did all the lambda blanking properly.

Starla

28-10-2019, 05:05 PM

P.S. Luddite. A bit of explaining please (or, in fact anyone) Neil told me not to bother with the Lambda sensors as they are overwrote in software. i've not touched them, is this wrong?
Thanks in advance.

Starla · 28-10-2019, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob.E

P.S. Luddite. A bit of explaining please (or, in fact anyone) Neil told me not to bother with the Lambda sensors as they are overwrote in software. i've not touched them, is this wrong?
Thanks in advance.

That's odd. He told me to definitely disconnect them, but not do anything to exhaust valve, which he said the re-flash by-passed. This was last Friday.

Starla

Luddite · 28-10-2019, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob.E

P.S. Luddite. A bit of explaining please (or, in fact anyone) Neil told me not to bother with the Lambda sensors as they are overwrote in software. i've not touched them, is this wrong?
Thanks in advance.

I think you may have misunderstood Neil's comment, Bob. When he says 'not to bother with the Lambda sensors', he doesn't mean just leave them as they are but rather that you don't need them and they should be disconnected. You have to physically unplug the lambdas from the loom otherwise their signals will confuse the remapped ECU.

If you're still running with yours plugged in, you're going to get a very pleasant surprise when you disconnect them! Let us know the result...

23-10-2019, 05:35 PM	#18
Mr Gazza Lord of the Rings Join Date: May 2013 Location: Norwich Bike: M900sie Posts: 5,963	As far as I know, Glenn at 2Brothers Motorcycles at Andover still has a dyno. They've done some really good work with it (on at least their second dyno now) and they really know their stuff...Might be worth a phone call. At the risk of stating the bleedin' obvious... Before any dyno work or re-flashing, do you know if the valve clearances are within spec? If not, they should be checked and serviced if needed. I generally reckon on a 6000 miles service life out of spark plugs. So worth checking those too... Don't forget to check the gaps. I'm assuming here that you know when the bike was last serviced properly, if you didn't do this yourself? Important to get these things right before resorting to dynos and re-maps.... Sorry if you already know how to suck eggs.. __________________ Last edited by Mr Gazza; 23-10-2019 at 06:12 PM..

23-10-2019, 06:38 PM	#19
Darren69 Transmaniacon MOC Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Sutton In Ashfield Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 6,091	Neil Cornerspeec used to have a 796 so he should be able to advise you on mods etc. __________________ Roast Beef Monster! Termignoni and Bucci - Italian for pipe and slippers! S4 Fogarty, S4R 07T, 748, Series 1 Mirage

27-10-2019, 10:32 AM	#25
Maggsy Registered User Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Warminster Bike: M696 Posts: 170	Welcome aboard Starla. Sent my ECU to Cornerspeed for a re-flash and fitted 14t front sprocket on my 696, much smoother and better acceleration! May be a bit far for you, but Richard at Lougi Moto near Bristol knows his stuff and his prices are very reasonable, nice bloke too. http://www.louigimoto.com/ __________________ What's that coming over the hill?

23-10-2019, 04:25 PM	#16
Bob.E Guest Posts: n/a	Welcome to our humble forum, you meet the best Monster people here. I 'third' the Niel @ Cornerspeed idea. I've a 696 and he flashed it by post. 3 day turn around, not bad time. I've got no lumpiness at all and it's like a completely different beast all through the revs. I've got Termi's, K&N air filter and standard sprocket teeth sizes. Next is something to replace the adequate Bridgestone 023's. Bob E

23-10-2019, 04:53 PM	#17
Starla Registered User Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Basingstoke Bike: M796 Posts: 21	Hello again, Just back from Moto Rapido an hour later, and more posts from you kind people. Much appreciated. 2nd time I've been there, 2nd time I've said "Monster 796", 2nd time I've been looked at like I'm from another planet, and shown the door !! Jeez, it was a current model only 5 years ago ....... BTW Their website refers to them Dyno-ing bikes. They admitted they don't even have a Dyno, but it's occasionally "outsourced". Won't be going back there again. Anyway, I will ring Neil at Cornerspeed tomorrow, and Thanks for all the thumbs up there. I was beginning to worry I was stuck with a very difficult to ride bike !! ......... Thanks also for all the info on the Ohlins Spring, part no etc. I'd noted M&H from reading on the forum, and I have a friend in Chippenham I can go see. But SURELY I can order a shock spring from my local dealer Snells and ask them to fit it ??!! I'll pop in there in the next few days (15 mins away). Really friendly and informative forum. Thanks for ALL the help. Starla x

25-10-2019, 06:22 PM	#20
Starla Registered User Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Basingstoke Bike: M796 Posts: 21	Hi All, Have now taken the ECU out to go to Neil tomorrow for a re-flash, and disconnected the Lambda sensors. Next, to order a new Ohlins Spring for the rear ! Cheers Starla

25-10-2019, 08:23 PM	#21
Luddite Registered User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Southampton Bike: M1100evo Posts: 2,465	Good move, sending off the ECU! When you refit it, you'll need to run the engine without touching the throttle until it shows three bars on the temperature gauge. This will reset the throttle position sensor. Also note that the bike may feel odd for the first couple of hundred miles while the ECU relearns the auto-adaptive parameters. Don't worry, it'll soon settle down. http://www.ukmonster.co.uk/monster/s...ad.php?t=55198 Now you've removed your lambda sensors, it's advisable to protect the exposed connectors from moisture either with some silicon grease or with some proper blanking plugs. http://www.ukmonster.co.uk/monster/s...08&postcount=5 Don't forget to let us know how it feels once you've done the ECU and spring.

26-10-2019, 04:35 PM	#22
Starla Registered User Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Basingstoke Bike: M796 Posts: 21	Thanks Luddite, Neil will have Monday. I've seen your posts on TPS reset and blanking the Lamdas - I have some something suitable. I didn't say I have already done the 14t & G2 throttle tamer. Ohlins Spring is only available online from Germany/Italy, so I'll speak to Snells 1st, then MH Racing. Also FTR suspension may have one. However, the Fuelling is my priority. Thanks again Starla

26-10-2019, 11:28 PM	#24
Starla Registered User Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Basingstoke Bike: M796 Posts: 21	https://www.g2ergo.com/shop/g2-stree...e-tube-ducati/ Doesn't seem to do too much, but the idea is that is smoothest out jerky throttles. I had one put on my 796 when the dealer did the servicing and prep to my specs before purchase. Lots of our US Monseter brethren have had them put on. Was easy to source in EU. I can tell you where I got it, if you're interested. Starla

28-10-2019, 04:49 PM	#27
Starla Registered User Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Basingstoke Bike: M796 Posts: 21	Yes, Lovely aluminum billet, then all covered up !! Didn't seem to "do" much though ! Ordered the Ohlins spring today from TRF (had in stock), and re-did all the lambda blanking properly. Starla

28-10-2019, 05:05 PM	#28
Bob.E Guest Posts: n/a	P.S. Luddite. A bit of explaining please (or, in fact anyone) Neil told me not to bother with the Lambda sensors as they are overwrote in software. i've not touched them, is this wrong? Thanks in advance.