Centre stand...again!

01-02-2017, 07:38 AM

Lots of mention of centre stand kits on the site & as they now seem to be a rare commodity the result is few of us know what one looks like & when something purporting to be a Monster stand turns up on ebay whether or not it is pukka.... or is it for a MS/GT or other model?

Here's one on ebay at the moment in the USA. To those who know does it look like an M1000S stand - thats what its advertised as - & would that be the same as a 900ie kit?

https://postimg.org/gallery/t5yglzha/

Cheers
Mike

Kato · 01-02-2017, 09:29 AM

This is a genuine DP item it was originaly listed as fitting MONSTER 620, 695, 750, 800, 900, 1000 AND S4

IMO a horrible waste of time and money

01-02-2017, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Kato

IMO a horrible waste of time and money

Thanks, Looks pretty similar - one size fits all it seems. Usefulness depends on bike usage. Adjusting the chain on a touring trip v quick whizz over to Cadwell. Each to his own.

Flip · 01-02-2017, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by norvin998

Thanks, Looks pretty similar - one size fits all it seems. Usefulness depends on bike usage. Adjusting the chain on a touring trip v quick whizz over to Cadwell. Each to his own.

I do kind of get what you're saying (not that I'd want one on my bike as I like the DP belly pan too much) but..... how many miles do you do on a touring trip?

I've hardly ever needed to adjust my chain in it's whole life time (have got between 12 and 15k out of them on my 900) and certainly not on a touring trip.

10-03-2017, 03:25 PM

Centre stands may not be to everyones liking so if they aren't what are you doing reading this?

For those who might be looking to fit one this may be of use.

The result of my M1000S stand kit purchase is a M900Sie fitted with a centre stand.

Few pix: https://postimg.org/gallery/ffzm3cak/

The stand leg hits the "floating" rear caliper torque rod on full suspension extension i.e on the propstand ...or in mid air! I have relieved the stand pad in that area & slipped a rubber sleeve onto the rod as belt & braces. Will braze a bigger "foot" onto the trimmed pad (& one on the other side to keep the bike level) extending outwards to restore a decent footprint on that side. Ms with a fixed rear caliper wont have that problem.

The 900Sie plastic "underguard" has to be removed. Its held on by 3 6mm allen screws. A stand cross-bar mounted shield may be a possibility if you wanted to keep such a device The guards purpose appears to be keeping chain lube off the fat tyre judging by the layer of crud on mine.

The prop stand can be retained but needs to have one bolt undone so dont do the fit on the prop stand! A paddock stand worked OK for me.

The threaded insert in the rear of the cases for the drains/breathers is like a small Rawlbolt & once the screw undoes it can be tapped out from the other side with a length of 10mm rod. The long stand mounting through bolt is overlong by about 2cm so plenty of room for another nut & a home made guide for the pipes.

The stand mounting plates fitted direct to the cases without any spacers. The torque rod bracket fitted outside the stand mounting plate. A spacer equal to the thickness of the stand mount (about 6mm) needs to be fitted under the torque rod mount.

The exhaust collector comes very close to the stand mounts. I relieved the area on both mounts next to the collector to allow for some movement of the pipe when the engine is fully up to temp.

The operating leg on the drive side sticks out a good way and with my high level pipes looks odd so thats for a trim down in my case to finish the job off. Other than that it blends in quite well I think. With OE or low cans the leg will be the first thing to touch down on that side.

The result is a very stable stand for use on good hard standing - much like the prop stand the contact area is rather too small for confidence if parking on tarmac. Next job is to put a pad on the prop stand to make the bike stand a little straighter.

Hope that helps anyone looking at fitting a centrestand.

Dirty · 10-03-2017, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by norvin998

Centre stands may not be to everyones liking so if they aren't what are you doing reading this?

I don't like genocide either but I've read and 'enjoyed' many books on the subject

utopia · 11-03-2017, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by norvin998

(centre stand) Usefulness depends on bike usage. Adjusting the chain on a touring trip v quick whizz over to Cadwell. Each to his own.

I have it on good authority that the "proper" way to do a quick whizz to Cadwell is without even a sidestand .. then lean it against a tree when you get there.

slob · 11-03-2017, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by utopia

I have it on good authority that the "proper" way to do a quick whizz to Cadwell is without even a sidestand .. then lean it against a tree when you get there.

B-)

which explains one of the dents on my 620 tank

Darren69 · 19-03-2017, 01:06 PM

The Sie was made only from '00-'01 and therefore would I think have only had the rear hoop suspension. From '02 the 900ie had the later S4 type frame without the hoop. There was no 900Sie model for '02 or afterwards AFAK

Mr Gazza · 19-03-2017, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Darren69

The Sie was made only from '00-'01 and therefore would I think have only had the rear hoop suspension. From '02 the 900ie had the later S4 type frame without the hoop. There was no 900Sie model for '02 or afterwards AFAK

No probably not M900Sie in that frame but there was the M1000Sie.

Darren69 · 19-03-2017, 01:27 PM

Of course, that's why I said no 900Sie, after '01 as it was replaced in '02 by the upgraded standard 900ie with eth S4 frame and again in '03 by the 800/1000S. AFAIK there wasn't an 900S model in '02 ,the S4 had already become the top S model from '01.

Of more interest is why they 900Sie had the lower hugger fitted in the first place and no others did. I'm beginning to think it may be due to the floating caliper and to provide some means to protect it from road dirt. The later S bikes all had the rear caliiper on top of the swingarm, just a thought.

Mr Gazza · 21-03-2017, 09:45 PM

Luke at Moto Rapido has very kindly done some quite deep digging over the last couple of days.
The "Hugger extensions" are still available new for £26.11 inc vat

I also wondered if it was to afford the floating calliper some protection, but ironically it is cut away to clear the torque rod and so exposes the pivots to the muck!
I have certainly experienced a lot of wear in the rose joints and calliper pivot... And the pads too come to that.
Definitely not a fit and forget item!

01-05-2017, 08:20 PM

my 800 sie has a centre stand

01-02-2017, 07:38 AM	#1
norvin998 Guest Posts: n/a	Centre stand...again! Lots of mention of centre stand kits on the site & as they now seem to be a rare commodity the result is few of us know what one looks like & when something purporting to be a Monster stand turns up on ebay whether or not it is pukka.... or is it for a MS/GT or other model? Here's one on ebay at the moment in the USA. To those who know does it look like an M1000S stand - thats what its advertised as - & would that be the same as a 900ie kit? https://postimg.org/gallery/t5yglzha/ Cheers Mike

01-02-2017, 09:29 AM	#2
Kato Dismantled Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: East Molesey Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 2,231	This is a genuine DP item it was originaly listed as fitting MONSTER 620, 695, 750, 800, 900, 1000 AND S4 IMO a horrible waste of time and money __________________ "Political correctness is just intellectual colonialism and psychological fascism for the creation of thought crime"

10-03-2017, 03:25 PM	#5
norvin998 Guest Posts: n/a	Update on stand fitting Centre stands may not be to everyones liking so if they aren't what are you doing reading this? For those who might be looking to fit one this may be of use. The result of my M1000S stand kit purchase is a M900Sie fitted with a centre stand. Few pix: https://postimg.org/gallery/ffzm3cak/ The stand leg hits the "floating" rear caliper torque rod on full suspension extension i.e on the propstand ...or in mid air! I have relieved the stand pad in that area & slipped a rubber sleeve onto the rod as belt & braces. Will braze a bigger "foot" onto the trimmed pad (& one on the other side to keep the bike level) extending outwards to restore a decent footprint on that side. Ms with a fixed rear caliper wont have that problem. The 900Sie plastic "underguard" has to be removed. Its held on by 3 6mm allen screws. A stand cross-bar mounted shield may be a possibility if you wanted to keep such a device The guards purpose appears to be keeping chain lube off the fat tyre judging by the layer of crud on mine. The prop stand can be retained but needs to have one bolt undone so dont do the fit on the prop stand! A paddock stand worked OK for me. The threaded insert in the rear of the cases for the drains/breathers is like a small Rawlbolt & once the screw undoes it can be tapped out from the other side with a length of 10mm rod. The long stand mounting through bolt is overlong by about 2cm so plenty of room for another nut & a home made guide for the pipes. The stand mounting plates fitted direct to the cases without any spacers. The torque rod bracket fitted outside the stand mounting plate. A spacer equal to the thickness of the stand mount (about 6mm) needs to be fitted under the torque rod mount. The exhaust collector comes very close to the stand mounts. I relieved the area on both mounts next to the collector to allow for some movement of the pipe when the engine is fully up to temp. The operating leg on the drive side sticks out a good way and with my high level pipes looks odd so thats for a trim down in my case to finish the job off. Other than that it blends in quite well I think. With OE or low cans the leg will be the first thing to touch down on that side. The result is a very stable stand for use on good hard standing - much like the prop stand the contact area is rather too small for confidence if parking on tarmac. Next job is to put a pad on the prop stand to make the bike stand a little straighter. Hope that helps anyone looking at fitting a centrestand.

19-03-2017, 01:06 PM	#9
Darren69 Transmaniacon MOC Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Sutton In Ashfield Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 6,029	The Sie was made only from '00-'01 and therefore would I think have only had the rear hoop suspension. From '02 the 900ie had the later S4 type frame without the hoop. There was no 900Sie model for '02 or afterwards AFAK __________________ Roast Beef Monster! Termignoni and Bucci - Italian for pipe and slippers! S4 Fogarty, S4R 07T, 748, Series 1 Mirage

19-03-2017, 01:27 PM	#11
Darren69 Transmaniacon MOC Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Sutton In Ashfield Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 6,029	Of course, that's why I said no 900Sie, after '01 as it was replaced in '02 by the upgraded standard 900ie with eth S4 frame and again in '03 by the 800/1000S. AFAIK there wasn't an 900S model in '02 ,the S4 had already become the top S model from '01. Of more interest is why they 900Sie had the lower hugger fitted in the first place and no others did. I'm beginning to think it may be due to the floating caliper and to provide some means to protect it from road dirt. The later S bikes all had the rear caliiper on top of the swingarm, just a thought. __________________ Roast Beef Monster! Termignoni and Bucci - Italian for pipe and slippers! S4 Fogarty, S4R 07T, 748, Series 1 Mirage

21-03-2017, 09:45 PM	#12
Mr Gazza Lord of the Rings Join Date: May 2013 Location: Norwich Bike: M900sie Posts: 5,848	Luke at Moto Rapido has very kindly done some quite deep digging over the last couple of days. The "Hugger extensions" are still available new for £26.11 inc vat I also wondered if it was to afford the floating calliper some protection, but ironically it is cut away to clear the torque rod and so exposes the pivots to the muck! I have certainly experienced a lot of wear in the rose joints and calliper pivot... And the pads too come to that. Definitely not a fit and forget item! __________________ Last edited by Mr Gazza; 21-03-2017 at 09:50 PM..

01-05-2017, 08:20 PM	#13
kempy Guest Posts: n/a	my 800 sie has a centre stand