Security Markings - Worth it?

11-05-2011, 09:47 AM

Just in the process of acquiring my new bike. Whilst it's fitted with the Ducati Standard immobiliser and will have a disc lock and heavy duty chain, is it worth fitting Datatag, Alphadot or Smartwater?

I've looked into all three of these and various others and see they can vary in cost between £30 and £75 and and haven't reduced the premium at all, wtf?

Anyone had experience with these and are they worth doing?

Rally · 11-05-2011, 01:00 PM

I would rather have one of those than an alarm myself. Alarms get ignored and drain the battery, whereas the others I think deter people more.

11-05-2011, 01:07 PM

Tracker - worth every penny, also spoke to a police officer once who said when they get a tracker alarm they love it because its virtually a guaranteed arrest

Rally · 11-05-2011, 01:12 PM

I agree about the benefits of Tracker but was shocked when recently buying a car with group 19 insurance, finding it had one fitted and then being told it wouldn't reduce my insurance! However, it would cost £135 per year to keep it turned on.

J.P · 11-05-2011, 01:24 PM

But when the Hoodies steal your Group 19 car, (hence group 19), you're much more likely to find the remains once they've crashed it, (hence group 19).....

Rally · 11-05-2011, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J.P

But when the Hoodies steal your Group 19 car, (hence group 19), you're much more likely to find the remains once they've crashed it, (hence group 19).....

So it costs me £135 a year to find the remains! I suppose you would get a quicker settlement though.

11-05-2011, 02:01 PM

I might go for an Alpha Dot system, seems quite cheap here on Ebay,

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ALPHA-DOT-THEF...item3a65d4cd6e

As you say, even if it doesn't reduce my premiums it would act as another theft deterrant.

11-05-2011, 02:05 PM

For what it's worth, Tracker 'Retrieve' pricing,

TRACKER Retrieve (basic option for motorcycles)

Installation - £361
Annual sub - £124
Duration subscription - £349

http://www.tracker.co.uk/tracker/Pro...otorcycle.aspx

utopia · 11-05-2011, 07:41 PM

As far as alarms are concerned, I'm wary of fitted systems and their associated electrical issues.
I use a Zena alarmed disc lock instead.
Also, I reckon my 10yr old monster is less likely to attract the attentions of the professional thief than a more modern bike, so I'm sticking with it.
Funnily enough, I dreamt last night that my bike had been nicked. Took me half the day to get over the feeling of hollow despondency. Couldn't even muster the enthusiasm to get out of bed for half an hour.

11-05-2011, 02:00 PM

I made a one off payment for tracker on mine for the life of the bike, 200 quid I recall

12-05-2011, 10:22 AM

Visual deterants are good ... big chain .. disc locks.
Big dog ... doesn't always work friends mastiff looked at burgular and went back to sleep

she was lazy.

I think a thief makes a fast assesment can they nick it.
How fast..
or if its a serious professional what tools can I come back with.

Most thefts are oportunistic I reckon.

I forgot my bike was elsewhere once looked out the window and ran outside .. heart in chest in panic.
then realised ...oppps!!

mind you having had a bike stolen in a split second was dreadful.
They picked it up and legged it!!! unreal! took under 5 mins .
I assumed a joke by which time they had got into an estate.

bigredduke · 16-04-2016, 04:09 PM

I know this is an old thread but........ I fitted a datatag system to my PS because one was offered to me for £35 rather than the usual £60 +

On renewal I mentioned this to the insurer (Ducati Insurance) in case they would offer a discount on the premium. Both the Monster & the PS are on one policy. They said that because the bike was already fitted with the Ducati security immobiliser system no further discount was available.

I was a bit surprised by this, but worth knowing if you are thinking about Datatagging your bike & expecting a reduction in your insurance premium.

That said, I am happy to have fitted the Datatag anyway even though it is not a complete deterrent to a determined tea leaf as has been pointed out.

Dirty · 16-04-2016, 07:50 PM

My Honda is datatagged, they want £15 to change owner details which although not a lot of money I thought a bit cheeky just to change a name.

16-04-2016, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty

My Honda is datatagged, they want £15 to change owner details which although not a lot of money I thought a bit cheeky just to change a name.

I'm in the same position with my Monster, saves £3 on insurance but costs £15 to change. I'm not sure it would be a deterrent at all, it's not as if you'd see it unless you were looking.

Nickj · 17-04-2016, 12:37 AM

If they want it then it's gone...

The illusion that it will be difficult to move only helps with the casual not pro's.

Add some road grime and 'patina', look less desirable... LOL Hard with a monster that

11-05-2011, 09:47 AM	#1
Davidg1230 Guest Posts: n/a	Security Markings - Worth it? Just in the process of acquiring my new bike. Whilst it's fitted with the Ducati Standard immobiliser and will have a disc lock and heavy duty chain, is it worth fitting Datatag, Alphadot or Smartwater? I've looked into all three of these and various others and see they can vary in cost between £30 and £75 and and haven't reduced the premium at all, wtf? Anyone had experience with these and are they worth doing? Last edited by Davidg1230; 11-05-2011 at 09:55 AM..

11-05-2011, 01:24 PM	#5
J.P No more Monster... Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: London Bike: Other Not a Ducati Posts: 4,326	But when the Hoodies steal your Group 19 car, (hence group 19), you're much more likely to find the remains once they've crashed it, (hence group 19)..... __________________ J.JP ------------------------------- My Mum says, there's no such thing as Monsters.

16-04-2016, 07:50 PM	#13
Dirty Bockloks Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: London Bike: No Bike Yet! Posts: 4,601	My Honda is datatagged, they want £15 to change owner details which although not a lot of money I thought a bit cheeky just to change a name. __________________ Wounds heal, chicks dig scars, glory lasts forever Beware of eBay

17-04-2016, 12:37 AM	#15
Nickj Too much time on my hands member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Forest Of Dean Bike: S2r Posts: 3,196	If they want it then it's gone... The illusion that it will be difficult to move only helps with the casual not pro's. Add some road grime and 'patina', look less desirable... LOL Hard with a monster that __________________ "The final measure of any rider's skill is the inverse ratio of his preferred Traveling Speed to the number of bad scars on his body." Song of the sausage creature

11-05-2011, 01:00 PM	#2
Rally Taking life easy........ Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Wiltshire Bike: Other Not a Ducati Posts: 1,969	I would rather have one of those than an alarm myself. Alarms get ignored and drain the battery, whereas the others I think deter people more.

11-05-2011, 01:07 PM	#3
cairojay Guest Posts: n/a	Tracker - worth every penny, also spoke to a police officer once who said when they get a tracker alarm they love it because its virtually a guaranteed arrest

11-05-2011, 01:12 PM	#4
Rally Taking life easy........ Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Wiltshire Bike: Other Not a Ducati Posts: 1,969	I agree about the benefits of Tracker but was shocked when recently buying a car with group 19 insurance, finding it had one fitted and then being told it wouldn't reduce my insurance! However, it would cost £135 per year to keep it turned on.

11-05-2011, 02:01 PM	#7
Davidg1230 Guest Posts: n/a	I might go for an Alpha Dot system, seems quite cheap here on Ebay, http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ALPHA-DOT-THEF...item3a65d4cd6e As you say, even if it doesn't reduce my premiums it would act as another theft deterrant.

11-05-2011, 02:05 PM	#8
Davidg1230 Guest Posts: n/a	For what it's worth, Tracker 'Retrieve' pricing, TRACKER Retrieve (basic option for motorcycles) Installation - £361 Annual sub - £124 Duration subscription - £349 http://www.tracker.co.uk/tracker/Pro...otorcycle.aspx

11-05-2011, 07:41 PM	#9
utopia No turn left unstoned Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: leicester Bike: M750 Posts: 4,546	As far as alarms are concerned, I'm wary of fitted systems and their associated electrical issues. I use a Zena alarmed disc lock instead. Also, I reckon my 10yr old monster is less likely to attract the attentions of the professional thief than a more modern bike, so I'm sticking with it. Funnily enough, I dreamt last night that my bike had been nicked. Took me half the day to get over the feeling of hollow despondency. Couldn't even muster the enthusiasm to get out of bed for half an hour.

11-05-2011, 02:00 PM	#10
cairojay Guest Posts: n/a	I made a one off payment for tracker on mine for the life of the bike, 200 quid I recall

12-05-2011, 10:22 AM	#11
He11cat Guest Posts: n/a	Visual deterants are good ... big chain .. disc locks. Big dog ... doesn't always work friends mastiff looked at burgular and went back to sleep she was lazy. I think a thief makes a fast assesment can they nick it. How fast.. or if its a serious professional what tools can I come back with. Most thefts are oportunistic I reckon. I forgot my bike was elsewhere once looked out the window and ran outside .. heart in chest in panic. then realised ...oppps!! mind you having had a bike stolen in a split second was dreadful. They picked it up and legged it!!! unreal! took under 5 mins . I assumed a joke by which time they had got into an estate.

16-04-2016, 04:09 PM	#12
bigredduke Nothing to see here Join Date: May 2005 Location: brough Bike: M1100evo Posts: 1,546	I know this is an old thread but........ I fitted a datatag system to my PS because one was offered to me for £35 rather than the usual £60 + On renewal I mentioned this to the insurer (Ducati Insurance) in case they would offer a discount on the premium. Both the Monster & the PS are on one policy. They said that because the bike was already fitted with the Ducati security immobiliser system no further discount was available. I was a bit surprised by this, but worth knowing if you are thinking about Datatagging your bike & expecting a reduction in your insurance premium. That said, I am happy to have fitted the Datatag anyway even though it is not a complete deterrent to a determined tea leaf as has been pointed out.