Carbon end caps for ally swingarms ... anyone fancy a joint purchase ?

utopia · 20-01-2016, 06:57 PM

I've got myself convinced that I need a pair of these, despite the price being ridiculous ....

http://www.mvs-performance.de/ALU-sw...-PASO-907-M900

Roughly speaking, they're £100 a pair.
BUT, on visiting the checkout, I was offered the chance of a second pair at a significantly reduced price .... effectively making them roughly £85 a pair (both prices don't include postage).
Even at that price, they don't make financial sense, but I will probably have a pair anyway, even at full price, to set off my new carbon wheels.
But I would happily share a joint purchase if anyone fancies splitting the discount between us.
Anyone ?

20-01-2016, 07:06 PM

Strangely I was humming about the alloy ones: http://www.mvs-performance.de/Ducati...ngarm-End-Caps
Not sure about the carbon ones

Mr Gazza · 20-01-2016, 07:17 PM

Smiffy could make those.

Darren69 · 20-01-2016, 07:20 PM

Interesting thatthhey list the alloy ones will fit the S4 and 888 etc but the carbon ones are not listed for s4. The S4 has gold alloy ones already but the carbon ones may be a nice if somewhat frivolous addition especially since I like the gold ones with my matching axle plates and I have a Metmachex swing arm that may or not go one at some point and has eccentric adjusters anyway!

Flip · 20-01-2016, 07:56 PM

Jeff, you best add a pair of these to your basket while you're at it then- just to make the postage worth it you understand:

http://www.mvs-performance.de/ALU-ch...-PASO-907-M900

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrD

Strangely I was humming about the alloy ones: http://www.mvs-performance.de/Ducati...ngarm-End-Caps
Not sure about the carbon ones

Has you 900 not already got a nice pair of gold alloy end caps as standard?

Just a little word of warning with regards to MVS Performance from my own personal experience when I did a bit of a refresh on my 900 early last year.

I bought a pair of these: http://www.mvs-performance.de/Chain-...Aluminum-17-mm to replace the standard steel plates.

However, their added thickness over the steel means that using the 900's welded-on paddock stand bobbins to lift the bike using the genuine Ducati paddock stand originally supplied to 888's (my mate wangled one for the Monster from the dealer he bought the bike from when new) means it actually fouls the plates unless you modify the lifting forks somewhat.

When I contacted MVS about this I got a stream of abuse via email basically calling me a liar as they have sold hundreds of these without complaint and no such paddock stand was ever offered by Ducati for the Monster- I told them I knew that and the stand was for a 888 which used the same swing arm (and therefore would suffer the same issue) but then they simply when quiet.

So I would say be careful if you have to return anything.

Darren69 · 20-01-2016, 08:12 PM

MVS, is that a company that took over Peter Dorsch racing? He used to be pretty good at dealing with issues and I have some of his stuff on my bike.

I only ask because a lot of the stuff they sell looks exactly like the Dorsh stuff he used to sell and whenever I google him I end up at the MVS site?

utopia · 20-01-2016, 09:21 PM

You're not the first to suggest that I should get the carbon side plates too, Flip.
But no, I wont be doing that ... not at that price.
Its bad enough just for the end caps, but the cost of the two together would be beyond ridiculous.
I did ponder their black anodised ally ones though.
BUT, I do have a plan, which will either mean continuing to use my existing homemade sideplates, slightly modified, or perhaps even making some copies of them in carbon.
In my opinion, my design is better than theirs anyway.

20-01-2016, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flip

Has you 900 not already got a nice pair of gold alloy end caps as standard?

Yes but one is badly scarred and they are gold and not titanium

utopia · 21-01-2016, 02:07 AM

I had to laugh ....
A quote from the listing for the carbon end caps ....

"Here we offer a set of swinging end caps."

Groovy !

smiffyraf1 · 21-01-2016, 11:23 AM

they are the sex. im in with red insert! i could make them but i wouldnt know where they began to build in the strength to take the compression load, unless they are just covers for then end?! if so ill bloody make them!

edit. just seen these are the covers but surely the area around and under the bolt must be under crazy compression loads which carbon is **** in! i dont trust these at all unless they just cover the metal original which in my eyes is a bit mickey mouse anyway

utopia · 21-01-2016, 11:36 AM

There shouldn't be any loading of any consequence on them because you only adjust once the spindle nut has been slackened.

slob · 21-01-2016, 11:39 AM

The ally inserts protect the side plates from crushing and provide a bearing surface for the adjusters, which as utopia points out are under very little load. The inserts are easy enough to turn up in some 6xxx or similar. It's laminating them into the parts I'd be unsure of.

smiffyraf1 · 21-01-2016, 11:44 AM

ahh course i forgot about tightening the spindle down. still even when you adjusting it mine are sometimes chuffing tight. thats a lot of pull. theres no way the resin could hold that insert in place under that load.

smiffyraf1 · 21-01-2016, 11:50 AM

unless that insert is a top hat section but then all the pull is on the surrounding composite. hmmm i cant decide if i want a set just to see how they work!

utopia · 21-01-2016, 12:06 PM

Exactly .... I was going to post this ....

The insert will be like a top-hat washer and will be compressed onto the carbon as the adjuster bolt is tightened, so there's no load trying to rip it out against the bonding, which will be there mostly just to stop the insert falling out prior to fitting ....I presume.
Also, there should be very little torque required to shift the adjuster bolts ... maybe your internal adjuster blocks are sticking or have gummed-up threads ?

Ok, up to now we appear to have one additional order.
I presume further additions on top of that will attract the same discount (need to confirm this though).
If so, then that should put the price down by a further fiver or so each, if anyone orders a third pair.
And/or I might email them for a special, bulk price.

20-01-2016, 06:57 PM	#1
utopia No turn left unstoned Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: leicester Bike: M750 Posts: 4,546	Carbon end caps for ally swingarms ... anyone fancy a joint purchase ? I've got myself convinced that I need a pair of these, despite the price being ridiculous .... http://www.mvs-performance.de/ALU-sw...-PASO-907-M900 Roughly speaking, they're £100 a pair. BUT, on visiting the checkout, I was offered the chance of a second pair at a significantly reduced price .... effectively making them roughly £85 a pair (both prices don't include postage). Even at that price, they don't make financial sense, but I will probably have a pair anyway, even at full price, to set off my new carbon wheels. But I would happily share a joint purchase if anyone fancies splitting the discount between us. Anyone ?

20-01-2016, 07:17 PM	#3
Mr Gazza Lord of the Rings Join Date: May 2013 Location: Norwich Bike: M900sie Posts: 5,845	Smiffy could make those. __________________

20-01-2016, 07:20 PM	#4
Darren69 Transmaniacon MOC Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Sutton In Ashfield Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 6,029	Interesting thatthhey list the alloy ones will fit the S4 and 888 etc but the carbon ones are not listed for s4. The S4 has gold alloy ones already but the carbon ones may be a nice if somewhat frivolous addition especially since I like the gold ones with my matching axle plates and I have a Metmachex swing arm that may or not go one at some point and has eccentric adjusters anyway! __________________ Roast Beef Monster! Termignoni and Bucci - Italian for pipe and slippers! S4 Fogarty, S4R 07T, 748, Series 1 Mirage

20-01-2016, 08:12 PM	#6
Darren69 Transmaniacon MOC Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Sutton In Ashfield Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 6,029	MVS, is that a company that took over Peter Dorsch racing? He used to be pretty good at dealing with issues and I have some of his stuff on my bike. I only ask because a lot of the stuff they sell looks exactly like the Dorsh stuff he used to sell and whenever I google him I end up at the MVS site? __________________ Roast Beef Monster! Termignoni and Bucci - Italian for pipe and slippers! S4 Fogarty, S4R 07T, 748, Series 1 Mirage

21-01-2016, 11:23 AM	#10
smiffyraf1 Silver Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Lincoln Bike: M1000ie Posts: 594	they are the sex. im in with red insert! i could make them but i wouldnt know where they began to build in the strength to take the compression load, unless they are just covers for then end?! if so ill bloody make them! edit. just seen these are the covers but surely the area around and under the bolt must be under crazy compression loads which carbon is **** in! i dont trust these at all unless they just cover the metal original which in my eyes is a bit mickey mouse anyway Last edited by smiffyraf1; 21-01-2016 at 11:45 AM..

20-01-2016, 07:06 PM	#2
DrD Guest Posts: n/a	Strangely I was humming about the alloy ones: http://www.mvs-performance.de/Ducati...ngarm-End-Caps Not sure about the carbon ones

20-01-2016, 09:21 PM	#7
utopia No turn left unstoned Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: leicester Bike: M750 Posts: 4,546	You're not the first to suggest that I should get the carbon side plates too, Flip. But no, I wont be doing that ... not at that price. Its bad enough just for the end caps, but the cost of the two together would be beyond ridiculous. I did ponder their black anodised ally ones though. BUT, I do have a plan, which will either mean continuing to use my existing homemade sideplates, slightly modified, or perhaps even making some copies of them in carbon. In my opinion, my design is better than theirs anyway.

21-01-2016, 02:07 AM	#9
utopia No turn left unstoned Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: leicester Bike: M750 Posts: 4,546	I had to laugh .... A quote from the listing for the carbon end caps .... "Here we offer a set of swinging end caps." Groovy !

21-01-2016, 11:36 AM	#11
utopia No turn left unstoned Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: leicester Bike: M750 Posts: 4,546	There shouldn't be any loading of any consequence on them because you only adjust once the spindle nut has been slackened.

21-01-2016, 11:39 AM	#12
slob . Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: East London Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 9,714	The ally inserts protect the side plates from crushing and provide a bearing surface for the adjusters, which as utopia points out are under very little load. The inserts are easy enough to turn up in some 6xxx or similar. It's laminating them into the parts I'd be unsure of.

21-01-2016, 11:44 AM	#13
smiffyraf1 Silver Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Lincoln Bike: M1000ie Posts: 594	ahh course i forgot about tightening the spindle down. still even when you adjusting it mine are sometimes chuffing tight. thats a lot of pull. theres no way the resin could hold that insert in place under that load.

21-01-2016, 11:50 AM	#14
smiffyraf1 Silver Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Lincoln Bike: M1000ie Posts: 594	unless that insert is a top hat section but then all the pull is on the surrounding composite. hmmm i cant decide if i want a set just to see how they work!

21-01-2016, 12:06 PM	#15
utopia No turn left unstoned Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: leicester Bike: M750 Posts: 4,546	Exactly .... I was going to post this .... The insert will be like a top-hat washer and will be compressed onto the carbon as the adjuster bolt is tightened, so there's no load trying to rip it out against the bonding, which will be there mostly just to stop the insert falling out prior to fitting ....I presume. Also, there should be very little torque required to shift the adjuster bolts ... maybe your internal adjuster blocks are sticking or have gummed-up threads ? Ok, up to now we appear to have one additional order. I presume further additions on top of that will attract the same discount (need to confirm this though). If so, then that should put the price down by a further fiver or so each, if anyone orders a third pair. And/or I might email them for a special, bulk price.