Thanks for the advice, I agree the ventura kit looks the biz, I actually photo'd a monster with a ventura rack at last years bristol italian motor day, but they're a bit pricey for me, I know theyre good kit, but I don't know about spending 300 quid just to use on a couple of weekends a year. The Kreiga stuff looks good though, i've never come across it before, and on first looks I recon I've missed a trick! It certainly looks like it'd survive a few weekends of abuse.. (unlike me!)