Cam Belt Covers

[mossleymonster]

Would anyone be interested in clear (as in transparent) replacement cam belt covers. I'm looking at manufacturing these, what are your thoughts.
See the state of your belts all the time and watch the whirry things going round

[WalMac]

Sounds a good idea certainly beats watching repeats on telly.
Wal.

[LeMarsu]

Hi,
SpareShack (http://www.spareshack.com) has these covers (part clear, see bellow).
My thought about them is will they get dirty from the inside? More cleaning !


http://www.spareshack.com/images/mon00008_600-750b.jpg

[mossleymonster]

These look great but £145.00 thats a lot of money I could make and sell something similar for about the £50/£60 mark

[LeMarsu]

£50/£60
interesting!

[Paranoid Dave]

sonds very interesting!

I guess you mean plastic with a clear window in them?

[mossleymonster]

No, all clear plastic, but slightly redesigned so as to avoid any copyright stuff

[crust]

sounds good to me,can you do fuel tanks?float bowls?

[mossleymonster]

not yet still at the costing stage for this, also it's proving hard to find the right material that is heat, petrol and oil proof. But we'll get there

[Paranoid Dave]

Now very very interesting!

Are you starting a business or just branching out? Tell us more about yourself (or me at least cos I'm nosey) :p
Would be interested if you get it all sorted.

:D :D
PD

[mossleymonster]

sent you a message dave

[Paranoid Dave]

I got it thanks!

As you may have spotted, I'm a sucker for pretty bits. Em wants to know why it is you didn't opt for a buell, the perfect inbetween from harleys and monsters and as she says, a lot more Grrrrrrr!

PD & M2

[mossleymonster]

as above

[M900Dom]

I`d be interested in some clear covers, I want to run mine without, but you only need one tiny stone in a toothed belt to snap it ! :eek:

[spares geezer]

I'd have a look at clear covers also,may be able to move a few on.

As for cleaning the inside of the Rizoma ones you can take the perspex window off without removing the whole aluminium casing.

[M900Dom]

Originally posted by mossleymonster
not yet still at the costing stage for this, also it's proving hard to find the right material that is heat, petrol and oil proof. But we'll get there

Polycarbonate is pretty resistant to most things, they make bullet proof windows from it :D
Its also called Lexan (Trade name), they make R/C car bodies from it, by vaccuum forming, they have to be heat, Fuel and oil resistant :D

You could also do some really cool paint effects inside them !
HTH
Dom

[Paranoid Dave]

Mossley, Keep us up to date with progress on these, sounds exciting.
How long do you think it will take to produce, 2 months, 1 year, 5 years...

[ChazScholefield]

MM,
Sounds a top idea from my dark spare room in wet Wales too - must be enough interest for a few R&D hours/dollars? Good luck.

Chaz

[spidermonkey]

interested in the clear covers have you done any other bits ie clutch covers, i'm looking for someone to make one as i want to personalise my own got the idea just can't make it.

[mossleymonster]

Right chaps, well we've now got the prototype moulding tool made. So it's off to the vacuum formers, more head scratching and parting with money, running up and down the country with a piece of wood. Hopefully, we should have something resembling a cover in polycarbonate within the month, will keep you up to date. Cheers, Al.

Could'nt get pics in here so check the new thread

[mossleymonster]

Right chaps, well we've now got the prototype moulding tool made. So it's off to the vacuum formers, more head scratching and parting with money, running up and down the country with a piece of wood. Hopefully, we should have something resembling a cover in polycarbonate within the month, will keep you up to date. Cheers, Al.

[LeMarsu]

Looking like good progress...
did you look into getting some colours in them like red, yellow, black waves or something ?

I have taken the liberty of merging the 2 threads...


mossleymonster please check your PM please.

[mossleymonster]

We're not looking at colours yet, it's enough getting the things made at the moment. But, depending on interest once the mould and finishing processes are sorted then we'll have a look.

[M900Dom]

Just a thought, are you doing 600/750 ones or 900 ones, the 2 types are different, I want a set of 900 ones:D
Cheers
Dom

[mossleymonster]

900 ones will follow shortly, when we have gauged the interest.
It's quite costly, so 600 and 750 seemed a good pace to begin
esp as i have a 750 lol

[LeMarsu]

I guess the 620 is the same as 750 and 600 ?

[mossleymonster]

yep and the 800 i think

[Paranoid Dave]

Sorry i know it's early stages but I just wanted to say I think smoked grey would be luurvely. Nice and dark and you'd still be able to see the belts do their thang! :D
Not that you're colouring them yet of course. :(

When you say it's very time consuming, I'm sure you're right but personally I'm still surprised at how quickly it's all coming about. In your mind when do you hope to have first production examples (even prototype) for sale. I was expecting mid/late next year, at this rate I'll ask for a set for my birthday???:D ;) :p :confused:

Looking good though, keep up the good work MM.

PD :confused:

[gary tompkins]

Quite fancy a set of these on my 900ie. I think PD's suggestion of some sort of tinted polycarbonate/perspex sounds the absolute dogs, and I'm sure there will be a lot of interest in coloured ones as well. I'll be watching the development of these with much interest

As PD says - keep up the good work :cool:

[mossleymonster]

The first prototypes have to be clear, it's so we can check the state of the finish from the mould. Also, the plastics people say that bronze tint is really smoke etc etc etc, so until we know exactly which tints are good for the job, it's clear. Once we've got the aluminium tool and cnc trimming jigs made for full production we can then produce any amount of tint/clear in a run.

Next step 900s!! the process begins again :)

[NattyBoy]

just wanted to register my interest for a set of these...Good that your willing to take a punt on a project like this...hope it makes you a few nicker !!

Nattyboy

[Paranoid Dave]

Still any ideas how long before we can get excited??? (Sorry - more excited)

PD

[mossleymonster]

Hopefully sometime early january lol for 600/750 as for 900 we'll be as quick as poss but it has to be demand driven at the moment

[mossleymonster]

mould gone to vacuum formers this morning, prototypes in 10-14 days..............we hope

[LeMarsu]

I was wondering how is it going ?
I bet not much getting done over the Christmas season...

[mossleymonster]

No mate the t***S went on holiday without telling me, hope fully end of week after next with any luck hehehe.

[Paranoid Dave]

has the little $#‡â€* come back of holiday yet? :D

[mossleymonster]

No, they are back on monday

[rockinruss]

I've got a 900s.i.e and would be very interested in a set of clear or smoked belt drive covers and also a clutch cover.

Cheers
rockinruss

[Eug]

Any idea on what kind of price we would be looking at ?

[mossleymonster]

Well finally, we have a prototype set of covers, one looks great and the other doesn't. Apparently the plastic was "damp" is what has caused the problem.

But they fit sort of, now it's fine tuning of the moulding tools and off we go (hopefully) they will be a light smoke tint in 3mm polycarbonate, the same stuff the new car headlamps are made of exceptionally strong petrol and oil proof etc.

As for price we can't say exactly but hopefully under £70
it depends on how much the next and final tool costs, also the cnc milling jig we have to have made.

Pics to follow shortly........................

[mossleymonster]

Hi all, well. We have had absolute nightmares with producing these things, but, there now seems to be some light at the end of the tunnel.

We have been assured by the moulding company that we'll have something worth looking at by the end of this week, not holding our breath tho lol.

Also, as regards fitment, these cover will fit from 98 ~2002

600, 620, 750, 820 no 900s yet sorry

also st2

So, hopefully we'll have some pictures and i will be fitting a set to my bike and will let let you know how i get on.

[Yorkie]

MM, I have been watching this thread and would be very interested with a set of tinted covers for my M600!!!!! ...... Yorkie.

[grover]

I have also been watching this thread with interest, will you be making covers for the earlier 1997 M750 engine, if not will the 1998 covers fit. Look forward to seeing these in production form. With thanks GROVER

[mossleymonster]

Hi Grover, as yet we are not sure whether the covers we are producing will fit pre 98 models for sure, although i have a mate who has a 97 model 750 and as soon as i have a cover to play with we will be trying it on his bike if it fits i will let you know.
Cheers m8

[Phoenix]

Hows all this going then ?

[mossleymonster]

As above it's a bit out of our hands still,

[mossleymonster]

First pics

[M900Dom]

Very Nice:D :D
Come on then, when are you doing the 900 ones ? I want a set;) :D
Laters
Dom

[mossleymonster]

bloody hell Dom i'm still recovering from giving birth to these m8

[Paranoid Dave]

FANTASTIC

Is that the prototype or the production model?

How much are they then, I'll get my piggy bank;)





....Oh ****! It's empty. :(

[Paranoid Dave]

MM,
Had a look around and wondered if you take any of the following:

Buttons
Fluff
Fruit Polo's
Fruit Polo's covered in fluff
Euro's
Nectar vouchers
IOU's
;)

[mossleymonster]

Sorry but this is still a prototype, the real ones are not far away though.

[gary tompkins]

Mossley,
Like Dom I would really, really, really, really like a set of these on my 900ie. They look the biz - and I hope you get round to making some for the later 900's ASAP :cool:

[andy mac]

they look great ,a bloody good idea/effort must get some and a
clutch cover would look very nice too.Good work mate:cool:

[taylor1966]

Very nice:)

[mossleymonster]

We are working with Stuart at Spares shack on these trying to speed the process up, but it's nigh on impossible to get stuff done properly and on time in this sceptred isle. But were on with it.

[mossleymonster]

Hi all, to anyone that is interested. The 600~620~750~800~820 ...98~2003
covers will be available second week of April. Unfortunately as the cost of tooling etc has far exceeded original quotes, these covers will be £94.00 per set. Available either from ourselves or Stuart @ spareshack, 10% discount will apply to UKMOC both from Stuart and ourselves.

Regards, Alan.

[M900Dom]

And just how much more is a set of Carbon Covers....... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Nice...






























But not that nice:rolleyes: :(

Mossley, PM me about the tooling costs, as my brother is a Pattern maker, CNC machines and a lot of F1/Moto GP/WRC stuff comes out of their place, I am sure he would be up for doing you the patterns at a sensible price.
HTH
Dom

[mossleymonster]

There's no point in us going outside again to get tools made,
no disrespect but we have already gone down the road before.

1 get toolmaker to make tool
2 send tool to moulder
3 moulder makes cover
4 cover comes to me
5 cover does not fit
6 send tool and ill fitting cover to toolmaker
7 argue the toss
8 toolmaker modifies tool
9 send tool back to moulder.................... do you want me to continue

We have had this since December not going there again

[M900Dom]

Originally posted by mossleymonster
There's no point in us going outside again to get tools made,
no disrespect but we have already gone down the road before.

<SNIP>

We have had this since December not going there again

Only trying to help mate, I just think you would sell more if you could get the price down, and I was trying to help do that......

[Chris]

How's things going on. I see Stuart is after a 900 cover, is that for this project?

I am interested in a set for my 900

Keep up the good work.

[mossleymonster]

Well chaps hers the sad news about the state of manufacturing in this wonderful country of ours.
In November 2002 I had the idea to produce these things, had a tool made and was recommended to a company called "Formold"
to carry out the moulding and cutting of said items.

To say that i am disappointed with there services or lack of is an understatement!! as of last week we have had to move the entire
process to another company and more or less start again :(

But on the plus side this company has a personal contact with someone i am now involved with on another venture so we are assured of a much better and more professional approach to our
needs. What else dare I say????

Watch this space:(

[mossleymonster]

Just a thought guys, if anyone out there has a set of 98 on 900
covers we can borrow for a few weeks, in return we will supply a new set of ours FOC.
Any offers.

Cheers, Alan.

[M900Dom]

Originally posted by mossleymonster
Just a thought guys, if anyone out there has a set of 98 on 900
covers we can borrow for a few weeks, in return we will supply a new set of ours FOC.
Any offers.

Cheers, Alan.

Why 98 on ?
I didnt think there was any difference ?
I may have a set, I`ll have to go and hunt for them in the garage
I can lend you a set off my 94, as I wont be needing it for a few weeks;) :D
Let me know if this is any use to you Alan and I will take them off and post them up to you
Cheers
Dom:D

[mossleymonster]

Hi Dom 98 on is different and we are not looking at producing for the earlier models as yet, but hey thanks for the shout m8

[M900Dom]

What is different about them ?
Because the engines didnt change ?
And neither did the carbon Covers ?
Its probably only the access covers that differ, but you havent got those anyway, yours are more like the carbon ones.
The internal Dimensions will be the same on both early and late, as the engines and belt runs didnt change.

Dom:confused:

[mossleymonster]

Hi Dom, i must be wrong then so if the offer still stands thats great.

[M900Dom]

I will confirm it Alan, and then get the covers off, cleaned and sent up to you;)
Pm me a number and an address, or give me a bell on
07866 715814
Cheers
Dom

[gary tompkins]

I could offer the loan of a set of belt covers from my 2002 model 900ie if it's any help - any idea how long you would need them for?

Also I Fatbloke may have a set going spare from his 900ie metallic as he's fitted carbon covers as far as I know - try to PM him?

Let me know what you want to do when I get back from ST Lo on Sunday night. :D

[M900Dom]

Its all sorted Gary;)
I am taking mine off tonight, as they are all the same anyway;)
Enjoy St Lo you lucky Git:D
I was hoping to be out there as well, but twas not to be:(
Enjoy
Dom

[gary tompkins]

Ok Dom - as long as the tinted covers will fit my monster when mossleymonster gets some made I'll be well chuffed. I'm already putting money to one side for a set, I think the ones in the photo's look superb.

CU for the combined meet up in June with PD and Co.?

ST LO. Here we come :D :D :D

[M900Dom]

Originally posted by gary tompkins

CU for the combined meet up in June with PD and Co.?

ST LO. Here we come :D :D :D

Hope so mate;)

Enjoy St Lo:cool: make sure you all take loads of pictures to make us even more jealous;) :D

[Paranoid Dave]

Hey MM

Can you remind me/confirm that the covers for a '99M600 like mine will also fit an M750 ???

I have plans one day and as much as I want a set of them if I upgrade I want to carry them over. :confused:

Thanks

[mossleymonster]

yes they will fit m8

[mossleymonster]

Hi all, the end of this saga is now looming. At great expense both in cash and clumps of hair, we now have a fully functional mould in shiny metal ( and we all know how much shiny metal costs lol)
pre production begins tomorrow 02/06/03 then it's about three days to make the cnc jig and program the cutting process into the machine. Hopefully by the end of the week we will have a finished product.

Next step guys, what are your thoughts on packaging, are you bothered ??

900 covers in about 4~6 weeks.

[Mr Kippa]

I have seen these in the flesh today on MM's bike and they look mint I will be getting a set for my 600.

ps...... Nice looking bike MM:D

[mossleymonster]

Hi sorry i missed you mate, had to go m/cr and the AA have just collected the bike for the electrical fault and taken it to Ducati Manchester.( thanks to Ian @ Ducati, and Darren @ Ducati Manchester, Top service thanks guys)

Anyway, Mr Kippa, apparently you work nearby call in for a brew anytime mate.

Regards, Alan.

[Mr Kippa]

My other half saw your bike on the back of the AA truck and thought it was mine (phone call, have you broken down). She also works just up the road from you:D

[mossleymonster]

well peeps, am bald an skint but resplendent in bliss.

As I gaze on me monster, I have to say I am chuffed.

These things are pure.

If for no other reason than than acheiving this, F**k they look good.

Mr Kippa, if you thought the ones you saw looked mint look again mate, the real ones are the dogs, they shine in the sun and when appraised.................woooohoooooooooo.

mossleymonster.............breathes out....gazes at the fundament and wonders,,,,,,,,,,,,,, as always.

[Paranoid Dave]

well chuffed for ya. it's good to see someone put so much effort into something and i'm sure you'll get back more than just some poxy 'well done' message :rolleyes: ;) in time to come.

Is there a picture of the final finished cover resplendant in the sunshine with a price tag neatly stuck in the corner?

[gary tompkins]

MM,

what's the state of play on the see through belt covers for M900's, and like PD I'm interested to know what the price will be?

Nice to hear that things are coming together at last :cool:

[gary tompkins]

Hmmmm.... that's odd - I've just got a notification that MM's posted a new reply about the funky belt covers, but when I checked it out found nothing.... or did I miss something :confused:

[spares geezer]

Price for the two valve version will be £90 ish inc vat.

[mossleymonster]

Here's a pic of the finished (almost:rolleyes: ) covers

[mossleymonster]

The tooling for 900 covers is now well underway, we expect to have a sample unit in about 2~3 weeks.

The 600~750 are going into production hopefully this week, we have increased the material thickness by 1 mm to overcome some shrinkage problems and now all should be well.

Also waiting for loctite to supply our stock of glue for the screws, should have been here last week.

Stuart at Spares shack should have his sample unit today, so we will get his feedback presently.

Will keep you informed.

[mossleymonster]

The pics a bit dark but hey what the hell

[mossleymonster]

Dom you have a pm

[M900Dom]

Originally posted by mossleymonster
Dom you have a pm

Erm Nothing there mate :confused:
Send it again ;) :D

[spares geezer]

Now that the final version of the clear cambelt covers is under way, at least for the 600-800 engines (stock due in late next week) we are now taking orders and initially it will be a discounted club price of 85 quid inc vat and postage within the UK for orders placed this month.

We are also taking orders for the 900 version during the month of July at the same cost but delivery of these is a little way off
(August sometime). Any orders placed this month won't be charged for until stock is in and ready to go.

I have a set of prototype covers in my office if anyone wants to check them out but they don't really do the final version justice.

I will be putting them on the spareshack site tomorrow at the full price but any club member ordering through the site will get the extra discount providing they send me an email confirming they are in the club.

Alan (mossleymonster) has put an a hugh amount of time,effort and money in to getting these off the drawing board and I take my hat off to him as the final product looks great.

Cheers

Stuart
www.spareshack.com
01895 439916

[mossleymonster]

Pm repeated

[M900Dom]

Originally posted by mossleymonster
Pm repeated

Cheers Al, You have a Reply:D ;)

[spacemonkey]

Looks freakin' A!
Can they be fitted with the engine in situ as per the craumbly originals? Mine are crumbling away, so count me in for some 900 ones.

[K@T]

ill take a set of clear covers Great idea and a reasonable price too! send me details!!!

[mossleymonster]

you can either get them direct from us or from stuart at spareshack

Thanks for the interest

:)
http://www.cibamall.com/acatalog/Cibamall_Catalogue_Products_4.html

As for fitting, it takes about 10 mins (a doddle)

Regards,
Al.

[mossleymonster]

:) Belt covers now in stock :o

[M900Dom]

Whats happening with the 900 ones Al ? ;)
Dom

[mossleymonster]

the reason for the delay at the moment dom is i have run out of money mate.

Of all the people who have expressed interest only five have actually bought any, so i have a box full of plastic and a wallet full of air lol.

As soon as I can lay my hands on about £1500 we'll be up and running again the first sample has been made but they won't release it to me until i find some cash :(

[M900Dom]

Thats a pisser:(
Sorry to hear that mate:(
Only 5 people:confused:
Hasnt Stuart been able to shift some for you ?
Has he got them up on his site ?

Put a link up to where theres photos and prices and I`ll post it up on the Ducati SS site on Yahoo for you, also on The ducati Index as well (although I think you have to pay if its a proper Advert) but a recomendation from a long standing list member "Ahem";) should be OK:D :D

And as for all those that expressed an Interest.... what are you waiting for ?
This Post is 7 pages long and one of the most eagerly awaited products, done by one of our own;) has cost him a shed load of money........

Form an Orderly queue;) :D

[gary tompkins]

MM,

I've had money with Stuart at spareshack for a set of covers since the spring. If the covers won't be available within a reasonable time, can you let me know and I'll put the cash to use on other bits I need for the 900.

[mossleymonster]

Hi Gary, thanks for your faith and interest. sorry to say at the moment I can't tell when the 900 covers will be available, but as soon as they are I will give a shout and we'll sort a deal out for you.
Cheers, Al.

[gary tompkins]

Ok mate - I feel a call to Stu coming on...;)

[mossleymonster]

Right, people. As you may or may not know production of the 900 belt covers has stalled due to the amount of investment I have had to make on the 600/800 ones which don't appear to be that popular (my mistake)

The 900 cover prototype and all cnc jigs and programming for the cutting/drilling is complete, however I have run out of funds and the taxman has just had more than his share of my wellbeing.

So I need some help, here's the deal. If I can obtain 20 prepaid orders for 900 covers @ £50.00 that will give me the money I need to get the bloody things into production.

The only drawback for you lot is about a 5-6 week wait tops,
this is the only way at the moment I can think of getting on with the job.

So, if you want a set of 900 covers at half price let me know.

Here's hoping.

Regards, Alan.

As an addition I have just counted how many 600/800 sets I have and in order to do the above I will sell 20 sets of these at the same price of £50.00 this is all in inc postage.

[tony_unn]

Put me down on a list for a set of covers for an 02 M620, if you want to wait until a few more confirm, just let me know when you have the numbers you want and I will send cheque.

[Phoenix]

Is that a set for a 600 at £50 ?
If so i'll have a set please. Where do I send the cheque?

[NattyBoy]

Hi Alan...stick me down for set number three for my '97 M600. Let me know when you need a chq mate..and good luck with the other covers..

Nat

[mossleymonster]

Thanks for the order, please send cheque payable to:cibamall.com ltd

Cibamall.com ltd
227 Stamford Street Central
Ashton-u-Lyne
OL6 7QB
0161 339 6726

Regards,
Alan.

[mossleymonster]

Hi all, thanks for the support. :lol:

See above post for address, 600 sets are in stock and i will ship as soon as i receive your cheques.

Regards,
Alan.

[Phoenix]

On it's way. Like Natty too...good luck with the 900 ones. Hopefully you'll do well with those and raise enough to continue your venture and make some money back too.

[tony_unn]

On its way, who do I make the cheque out to?

[Phoenix]

I've made this one out to Cibamall.Com Ltd. If wrong let me know :)

[Jakko]

Put me down for a set of cam covers for my 900ie

[mossleymonster]

Hi all, and an especial thanks to all that stood.

This is the end of the road, the reality. I made summat happen but no one wanted it, so it has ended.

There were 5 people out of all you lot stood up, so i cant justify carrying on i have spent countless hours and pounds doin this.

Not for greed but i have to admit to a feeling that it could have been a successful venture. However, it's not.

So, to all the people who paid up front and trusted me please accept my apologies and your cheques are winging their way back.
Sorry but no interest acrrued........... SOZ

And a very special thanks to Dom, HEY MAN THANKYOU !!

So thats about the size of it.

Best regards,
Al.

[parsix]

Do you still have some covers left ?, mines a '97 M600.

[NattyBoy]

parsix..they wont fit your bike mate...

Nat