97 M900 Chop kits

[CarloL]

Alot on the market , what are good quality kits?

Would like one like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEUXdx4QelQ


One I saw

https://www.ducatimonstertailchop.com/collections/ducati-monster-fender-eliminator-tailchop-gen1/products/tail-chop-integrated-taillight-combo

[Yorkie]

Keep it standard, a decent standard one is a rare thing. Only do modifications you can easily reverse.

Yorkie

[Flip]

I know Monsters were not really designed to have the extended bit at the back originally and it is only there to satisfy the legislation of some markets it was sold in but .... and this is the do I? Don't I? bit... as Yorkie says, the earlier bikes with Frameus Intactus are becoming rarer these days.

I know it is possible to reverse a 'tail chop' but it will never be the same as the original coupled with the fact the original frame colour is notoriously difficult to match- I say difficult, I mean impossible- just ask Albie who I am sure will be along shortly to verify how hard he has tried to get anywhere close on his lovely restoration project.

Talking of being along shortly, so will Dirty no doubt to tell you to get the hack saw out and chop it!!!

However, you could do as I have done and compromise it by loosing all the dangly bits, repositioning the indicators (you could always fit a combined tail light) and make (or buy)a new number plate bracket et voila- the bonus is you don't get a wet back when riding in the rain either:

http://i1372.photobucket.com/albums/ag329/fluke900/IMG_6131_zpsfnuajnak.jpg (http://s1372.photobucket.com/user/fluke900/media/IMG_6131_zpsfnuajnak.jpg.html)

[SteveG]

Ha... I beat Dirty to it for a change... Chop it :)

I bought a pre-chopped 96 ... and love it.
It is of course entirely up to you. Your bike... There will be many opinions on whatever mods you do. All options valid... Flips halfway house is one of them. (And a good one by the looks..)

[CarloL]

Thanks , I like Flips Idea , want to keep it original too ;)

[Darren69]

Nooo! Love your beer tray! Its part of the Monster style. I wasn't keen on the plastic thing but a DP carbon kit is much better

http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx341/DarrenS69/no%20tail%20chop/monster%20carbon%20003_zpsl2kvkfry.jpg (http://s770.photobucket.com/user/DarrenS69/media/no%20tail%20chop/monster%20carbon%20003_zpsl2kvkfry.jpg.html)

[CarloL]

Nice!

I might get away with just a bracket for the reg plate , remove the plastic

[alan s4]

Never mind the weave on the carbon, the weave on the artex is a proper work of art:eyepopping:

[Albie]

Hello and its yours to chop or short chop.. Advice keep all original parts and bolts with all you remove or give or sell to a good home.

I semi chopped my first monster so I cant be a hypocrite. I relocated the original indicators but later swapped the tea tray for the later beaver tail one complete with oval indicators and also the front ones.
Had scorpion big boom cans and fitted high level Sils after them. Opened the clutch cover with a secondhand Rizoma which also went on my S4 after too. Kept bars stock My old bike is still around here somewhere and still looking decent unlike the S4/ S4r conversion.

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l209/albies4/Albies%20Monster%20pics/Pics109.jpg (http://s97.photobucket.com/user/albies4/media/Albies%20Monster%20pics/Pics109.jpg.html)

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l209/albies4/Bike%20Pics/Pics128.jpg (http://s97.photobucket.com/user/albies4/media/Bike%20Pics/Pics128.jpg.html)

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l209/albies4/Albies%20Monster%20pics/M900-50k.gif (http://s97.photobucket.com/user/albies4/media/Albies%20Monster%20pics/M900-50k.gif.html)

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l209/albies4/Bike%20Pics/Pics194.gif (http://s97.photobucket.com/user/albies4/media/Bike%20Pics/Pics194.gif.html)

[Darren69]

Never mind the weave on the carbon, the weave on the artex is a proper work of art:eyepopping:

I had started to try and remove the artex but was warned it may contain asbestos, depending on how old it is. And it made a lot of dust!

[Blah blah]

Chop, chop, chop, chop, chop chop it all off!!

Or you could (short term) remove the mudguard, leave the beer tray, make some brackets for the indicators and get a tail tidy, like....

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f142/AKJRAY/M750/P8210002-1.jpg

Or just chop it off (because it looks loads better, see my S2r thread! :mand:)

[Darren69]

That 750 looks real nice. Personally I wouldn't chopper such an original early 900 as yours but its yours now. If you're gonna chop it don't keep the original exhausts length, chop them to suit otherwise it just looks odd. All exhaust and nothing else.

If you're going to the trouble of sourcing some original Termis and you do actually get some, or some copies then it makes no sense to chop those as well?

[Blah blah]

If you're gonna chop it don't keep the original exhausts length, chop them to suit otherwise it just looks odd. All exhaust and nothing else.



No, don't, original length looks fine / cool

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f142/AKJRAY/f0d80737-860c-4e9b-9204-16e4ce88bab2_zps6c16eff9.jpg

I really must take some new pictures, or you could have a look at Nasher's thread as it's his now !

[Darren69]

I dunno, the standard low level cans don't look so bad, i suppose. Still a lot of exhaust on show there and not much else. High levels looks worse in that respect. I mean chop the number plate saves what 500g ? Its not that much better if you've still got 10kg of exhaust cans to drag around. Those things have so much metal in and are so heavy!

[Dirty]

As Darren says, low level exhausts look fine with the chop (which MUST be done, otherwise you have an unfinished bike :) ) but hi levels give it a 'wheel barrow' look which is not cool.

[Wasta]

Mines chopped and I love it...until it rains, then I get covered in water and road dirt.

Still wouldn't change it though!

[Taff666]

Asking advice is one thing, but it's your bike mate, don't let anyone tell you what to do to it

[CarloL]

Looking at the Motodynamic kit with a Smoked lens

https://www.motodynamic.com/94-08-ducati-monster-sequential-led-tail-lights-smoke-v2.html

Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEUXdx4QelQ)

Features:

32 ultra bright red and 32 ultra bright yellow LEDs
8 ultra bright white downward facing LEDs for license plate lights
NEW! Programmable features:
ON/OFF License plate lights
ON/OFF Stop Alert
ON/OFF Sequential signals
Direct plug and play with included sub-harness
Resistors built into sub-harness
Stop Alert - utilizes 3 quick red flashes when brakes are applied initially
Sequential alternating yellow LED turn signals

[utopia]

As said, its up to you, but ....

I wouldn't fit an integrated rear light, particularly one with a smoked lens.
I've followed monsters with such a set-up and the indicators really aren't very noticeable at all.
Personally, I would say they are dangerous and I wouldn't ride with one.

[Darren69]

It's actually an MOT fail.

[CarloL]

I am in Ireland , no MOT or equivalent here for bikes

It looks noticeable in the Video

Another option is Monster Fender Eliminator/Tail Chop

https://www.ducatimonstertailchop.com/collections/ducati-monster-fender-eliminator-tailchop-gen1/products/monster-fender-eliminator-tail-chop?variant=26901805897

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1563/8341/products/Monster_tailchop_grande.jpg?v=1477429005

[Nasher]

As said, its up to you, but ....

I wouldn't fit an integrated rear light, particularly one with a smoked lens.
I've followed monsters with such a set-up and the indicators really aren't very noticeable at all.
Personally, I would say they are dangerous and I wouldn't ride with one.

I'd agree with that.

How do any of these saw-off/bolt-on kits deal with the cable for the seat release mechanism?

Nasher

[utopia]

Just my own opinion but something like that, which retains separate indicators, would be much better.
And you wouldn't have to keep the std indicators.
However, there are good and bad replacements so you should choose carefully .. some aren't particularly noticeable either.

Personally, I quite like the std led ones fitted to the latest Panigales .. and presumably they work well and are very visible in practice.
The fitment is peculiar though and requires something that mimics the original carrier .. its not just a hole for a bolt.
But they retain a degree of flexibility, which is nicer than many solid aftermarket ones, I think.
There may be some mileage in adapting a tail tidy for a later Ducati which uses these indicators, but it'd be a faff.
For my money, that would be a top option.
Although you would also need to fit resistors or an led-compatible flasher unit, otherwise the flash rate will be wrong.

Another option might be the ones that Darren currently has for sale .. though I haven't actually seen them working so I don't actually know how they perform, but they have a good pedigree.
These are normal bulbs I think, so would not require resistors or a new flasher unit.

My own bike is unchopped.
I remember that, slightly before I joined the forum, JMo produced a few tailchop kits which retained the std numberplate holder but lost the teatray .. retaining perhaps some degree of weather protection as well as looking "factory".
It might be worth searching the forum for details and seeing if you could copy that design ....?
Depends how handy you are with hacksaw, file and drill I guess .. and how much time its worth spending.

Anyhow, food for thought.

[CarloL]

Thanks for the advise!

I like the LED kit , would like to use indicators like OEM or at least see what it is like first before I buy external indicators

Any recommendations , more so links to where to buy external indicators

[smiffyraf1]

CaloL
I had that motodynamics kit on my old 750 and loved it. mine was the old version though. I know the new version is even better and you can switch it to just do brake light and not the indicate for if you need to switch it back and fit old indicators for MOT reasons.
I know my MOT place was fine with it though as he said at the time it was no different really to the audis etc that do similar.
my favourite feature was the fast flash for braking. had a few people comment that it really caught their eye and made them aware of what i was doing.

be prepared to get stung for import charges though. i did.

[CarloL]

CaloL
I had that motodynamics kit on my old 750 and loved it. mine was the old version though. I know the new version is even better and you can switch it to just do brake light and not the indicate for if you need to switch it back and fit old indicators for MOT reasons.
I know my MOT place was fine with it though as he said at the time it was no different really to the audis etc that do similar.
my favourite feature was the fast flash for braking. had a few people comment that it really caught their eye and made them aware of what i was doing.

be prepared to get stung for import charges though. i did.

Thanks Smiff , was I was looking for

Its Ireland , we can get around import charges :)

[Darren69]

I really do recommend an LED rear light as they're much brighter than the standard bulb, they take less juice and there's less to go wrong with them but the combined indicator ones are illegal for a reason here and car drivers are a dozy bunch at the best of times so it wouldn't take too much to confuse them even more or introduce further ambiguity of your intentions.

[CarloL]

It has provisions to add on the side indicators ;)

Only other Mod I wold like is exhausts , I think that is me done!

[utopia]

I agree about the led rear light.
Even better, in my opinion, is if you use an array of red leds behind a red lens.
That's how mine is.
It came with a clear lens and it was bright like that but with the std red lens its still bright but perhaps not so dazzling and yet it has an intense deep red colour which stands out an awful lot without being a nuisance.

Can't be doing with flashing rear lights myself .. just confuses the issue in my opinion and best reserved for cyclists.

[Jez900ie]

I agree about the led rear light.
Even better, in my opinion, is if you use an array of red leds behind a red lens.
That's how mine is.
It came with a clear lens and it was bright like that but with the std red lens its still bright but perhaps not so dazzling and yet it has an intense deep red colour which stands out an awful lot without being a nuisance.

Can't be doing with flashing rear lights myself .. just confuses the issue in my opinion and best reserved for cyclists.

Same here.

[CarloL]

It can be turned off , but I think it is a good idea as it puts focus on you , making drivers aware of your presence

I am sure we are all culpable of going into auto mode , especially on a bike you want a visual aid to highlight your presence

I think Modern cars have the quick succession of rear led intensity under heavy breaking

[Dirty]

I love my flashing brake light, and if it confuses people who see it then all the better.

[yusaf1]

I have the tail chopped, led integrated rear lens and mini rear indicators, works fine and passes an mot no problem.

[utopia]

Well, each to their own .. and good luck with it. :)
All I'm saying is that I have followed monsters with integrated rear lights behind a smoked lens and I have completely failed to notice that they were indicating until they turned unexpectedly.
I've also followed monsters with flashing brake light systems into fast turns and when the light went on, my immediate reaction was simply confusion.
For your (my) own safety, confusion amongst the drivers around me is the last thing I want to create. I fail to see how that can possibly be "all the better".

Tinted windows and spinning hubcaps .... anyone ? ;)

[CarloL]

Will fit the LED rear light and see how she looks , if I chop the tail , not too sure , will try with just the beer tray and go from there, would like to avoid it if I can

Each manufacture of these units will have different LED specs / lumancy , I really dont know till I fit it , it has provisions for OE or aftermarket side indicators (Video on youtube looks like it is good quality high lumancy unit)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7VAkYDmWko

Will look into the rapid brake light, probably will turn it off

If anybody has suggestions for aftermarket side indicators , are visible please let me know! Loads on ebay , its hard to tell what is good/bad

Thanks for all the advise , duell noted :)

[Dirty]

I've also followed monsters with flashing brake light systems into fast turns and when the light went on, my immediate reaction was simply confusion.
For your (my) own safety, confusion amongst the drivers around me is the last thing I want to create. I fail to see how that can possibly be "all the better".


It wakes you up and makes you think. Someone with a 'confused' mind is going to be far more alert than someone whose mind has got so used to seeing brake lights that reaction to them has become a subconscious thing.

[utopia]

Ha ...I might have known that you would come up with a supporting argument with at least some believable logic behind it. :)
But I think that your application of that logic is misplaced, and also gives far too much credence to a minority point.

When I wake up confused, I'm immediately and instinctively distracted by the burning questions .. "where the feck am I and what the feck is going on ?" .. its a subconscious reaction over which I have little control.
I might feel fully awakened but I remain distracted until I have first dealt with the confusion.
On the road I like there to be no need to even approach such questions.

[Dirty]

But you can't compare the confusion of the first moment of the day with the 'confusion' re wondering what someone's brake lights are doing. It's a completely different situation. If you are in the same mental state when riding a bike as when you first wake up then I'd suggest you give up riding asap! :)

[utopia]

If you're happy to rest your case there .. then so am I. ;)

[Dirty]

Perhaps the term 'confused' was a tad confusing.

My case is that the brain, in situations that it is familiar with, runs pretty much on automatic. In the case of driving it is used to 1000s of different situations and reacts accordingly without need to ,wake' the active part of the brain. When faced with a 'new' situation with which it is unfamiliar the 'automatic' responses shut off and hand over to the thinking part. I think causeing vehicles behind me to actively think is a positive benefit.

So yes happy to rest it there :)

[Darkness]

Perhaps the term 'confused' was a tad confusing.

My case is that the brain, in situations that it is familiar with, runs pretty much on automatic. In the case of driving it is used to 1000s of different situations and reacts accordingly without need to ,wake' the active part of the brain. When faced with a 'new' situation with which it is unfamiliar the 'automatic' responses shut off and hand over to the thinking part. I think causeing vehicles behind me to actively think is a positive benefit.

So yes happy to rest it there :)

No confusion; your case is that you prefer people driving behind you to be unfamiliar and surprised.

I hope I'm not in the viscinity as that could easily be lethal.

Your choice though. :biggrin:

[Dirty]

No confusion; your case is that you prefer people driving behind you to be unfamiliar and surprised.

I hope I'm not in the viscinity as that could easily be lethal.

Your choice though. :biggrin:

No, I prefer them alert, awake and aware. If a couple of flashing lights is all it takes to make you a danger to be near I hope everyone is not in your vicinity! ;)

[Darkness]

So do I: I like quiet roads.
Hell is other people*.


* JP. Sartre

[slob]

One thing to consider: LED tail lights tend to be quite bright, so there can be less difference between tail and brake light intensity. If the driver behind you glances away just before you brake, they may not be aware you're braking once they look back... at least a flashing brake light solves that problem.

[utopia]

No, I prefer them alert, awake and aware. If a couple of flashing lights is all it takes to make you a danger to be near I hope everyone is not in your vicinity! ;)

And how does the flashing of a brake light (which you would naturally expect to be continuous) increase the AWARENESS of the following rider/driver ?
I can only see that it reduces the awareness by adding ... CONFUSION.

Safety info should be simple and require the absolute minimum time to interpret, leaving maximum attention focussed on the job in hand .. that's why road signs are generally pictorial, for example.

No offence mate but you're arguing like a bad politician, picking up on any issue which can be re-interpreted in a different context in order to further your argument.

In addition to the confusion caused, I have two further (but admittedly lesser) reasons to dislike flashing rear lights ...
1) It shows a lack of respect for other drivers, since you are prepared to compromise a warning system.
2) They're just trashy (in my personal opinion).

One thing to consider: LED tail lights tend to be quite bright, so there can be less difference between tail and brake light intensity. If the driver behind you glances away just before you brake, they may not be aware you're braking once they look back... at least a flashing brake light solves that problem.

I would assume that the brightness of leds applies to both the tail light and the brake light, and so a following driver would still notice the difference in intensity between the two.
But I accept that too much brightness can be a problem in other ways, which is why I opted to change the clear lens (covering my array of red leds) to a red one, since it increases the depth and intensity of the colour without too much added brightness.
And goodness knows, its already like the high street at Christmas out there, with everyone running extra lighting in the belief (mistaken, in my opinion) that it makes them safer.
I've even seen double decker buses with running lights in the middle of a hot summer day.


In all these cases, I would not expect to need to wake the following driver up, as I will already have shocked him into alertness with the noise from my unbaffled termis as I overtook him a short while ago.


:)

[utopia]

One gizmo that I DO think would be a worthwhile addition would be a dashboard "my brake/tail light has failed" warning light.
That really would be of practical value.
I seem to recall that my 1975, Z1B Kawasaki had just such a system.
Not flashy enough for the market though, I presume.

[Jez900ie]

One gizmo that I DO think would be a worthwhile addition would be a dashboard "my brake/tail light has failed" warning light.
That really would be of practical value.
I seem to recall that my 1975, Z1B Kawasaki had just such a system.
Not flashy enough for the market though, I presume.

I don't suppose for a moment you miss that bike?

[Dirty]

And how does the flashing of a brake light (which you would naturally expect to be continuous) increase the AWARENESS of the following rider/driver ?
I can only see that it reduces the awareness by adding ... CONFUSION.

Safety info should be simple and require the absolute minimum time to interpret, leaving maximum attention focussed on the job in hand .. that's why road signs are generally pictorial, for example.

No offence mate but you're arguing like a bad politician, picking up on any issue which can be re-interpreted in a different context in order to further your argument.

In addition to the confusion caused, I have two further (but admittedly lesser) reasons to dislike flashing rear lights ...
1) It shows a lack of respect for other drivers, since you are prepared to compromise a warning system.
2) They're just trashy (in my personal opinion).





Yes, and 'confusion' wakes up the drivers brain, telling it, 'hey you better switch off of auto and onto full attention mode as this is new and strange to me'.

If anyone is acting like a politician it's you. When faced with a well thought out and reasoned argument you default to emotion and abuse (compromise/respect/trashy).

[utopia]

Yes, and 'confusion' wakes up the drivers brain, telling it, 'hey you better switch off of auto and onto full attention mode as this is new and strange to me'.

If anyone is acting like a politician it's you. When faced with a well thought out and reasoned argument you default to emotion and abuse (compromise/respect/trashy).


Sorry mate, no abuse intended whatsoever.
But I don't see that your argument is particularly well thought out or well reasoned at all.
And I see no particular abuse in my use of the words "compromise" and "respect" in the context in question, and the "trashy" comment was qualified as just a personal opinion.
(As it happens, I have no problem with trashiness itself ........I knew this girl once .....)

I'm afraid I still can't agree that provoking confusion in other drivers has any benefits which aren't massively outweighed by the obvious downside.
This is the basis of the reasoned argument that I have tried to present.

Furthermore, far from merely resorting to emotion (?) and abuse, I have given two real-life, monster based examples to support my view.
To elaborate further on these ...

1) Following Dukedesmo through early morning drizzle on the fish and chip run, and despite expecting him to be taking a left exit in due course, I was surprised when he swung onto a sliproad and only on squinting did I discern that he was in fact already indicating.
(integrated rear light/indies under smoked lens, with supplementary, teatray-mounted panel indies).

2) Following Capo, at a decent pace, into the first bend at the bottom of the awesome climb up Motarrone (Italian mountain, WDW2016).
At the instant he braked I just thought "what the feck is happening" as I was presented with a light show (no offence mate, if you're reading this).
I momentarily and instinctively overbraked (panic braked ..?) because of the extra hazard presented by the unknown/unexpected.
Presumably, this also spooked the following rider.
Eventually I realised that I could not accurately discern, in the instant, whether he was coming on or off the brakes until the flashing subsided.
And in the meantime my attention had been focussed on that subject, meaning I was paying less attention to other stuff (like, does the road crumble away at this bend like so many previous ones had done, for example).
After that, I chose to follow someone else.
Ironically, it was Capo who gave me my red led array unit in the first place (ta, again .. I love it) after having replaced it with his more techno one.
Tbh mate, you should ask for it back though, in my opinion.

I'm all for waking up slumbering drivers but not if it adds even the slightest, momentary distraction or confusion.
And this confusion applies to all the non-slumbering drivers too.
The example that I gave of the loud termis is a better way to do it, in my opinion.

So, two examples of the confusion caused by these systems (even in an alert follower) and one to demonstrate a safer way to awaken slumbering drivers.
Far from merely resorting to "emotion" or "abuse", the way I see it I have offered a well reasoned counter argument with supporting evidence.

Sorry to take over your thread in this way Carlo .. but at least its around the subject area in question, so maybe not quite a hijack.
But by way of apology, if you do find that you need a clear lens at some stage, you can have mine as a freebie.

And by the way, dear other readers, Dirty and I are mates.
We aren't falling out here .. in case you were wondering. :mand:

[Dirty]

1. Case Dukedesmo - I'm not, and never have advocated integrated rear lights. I'm not a fan myself. I think they are purely an aesthetic mod, have no practical benefits and in fact are more difficult to read.
2. Case Capo - You knew he was braking - job done. You then rode with extra concentration behind him - job done. You could not tell 'in the instant' when he comes off the brakes so your acceleration behind him was slightly delayed. - Job done! I would say your positive decision to concentrate on 2nd guessing Capo's right wrist to save a few microseconds at the expense of 'other stuff' was a poor one, though subsequently giving up and following someone else was therefore a good decision, for both you and Capo. Again, job done.

I agree, this was a reasoned response this time. There was meat on the bones. Your previous post I described as emotional and abuse because it simply used adjectives without explaining why you had assigned them. I can't accept that a flashing light is not within the 'simple signs' remit. I have followed both bikes and cars with flashing brake lights myself and find they work (my auto brain switches off and I'm forced to think and pay better attention) and are simple to understand.

Don't listen to him readers. We are both extremely upset with one another over a brake light. I myself have broken at least 7 keyboards due to the angry voracity with which I hit the keys when typing my responses. Anyone got a spare? :mand:

On a final footnote I would just like to add I hope everybody thinks I am wrong. For obvious reasons my whole reason for using them falls down the moment everyone else gets them :)

[Dukedesmo]

1. Case Dukedesmo

Guilty as charged m'lud, now do I get a sentence discount for an early plea/good behaviour?... :worried:

[CarloL]

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https://youtu.be/0xpar1bl1z4

[smiffyraf1]

neat job. looks so much better i think. how the monster was meant to look

[Darkness]

neat job. looks so much better i think. how the monster was meant to look

Now to find the solid centre rear wheel? And the DOHC engine?

https://uk.pinterest.com/pin/487655465874687798/

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[Nasher]

There is no denying that they look so much better chopped, but even I'm beginning to wonder if chopping one now that's not already been done is the right thing to do.

I think if it was me I'd have been sourcing another pre-chopped frame, and swapping the bits over, as I can see a point in just a few years time when an un-chopped frame will be worth what you'd pay for a whole bike now.

Nasher

[Darren69]

I agree with you Nasher, those Mk1 tails weren't the best looking things, so I can understand why so many chopped them off, but nice original clean unmolested examples, like that one was are gonna be harder to find in future and in just a few years time will carry a premium. its always the same when the classic bike brigade get involved, the prices for original bikes skyrockets and people start speculating by asking silly money. Its exaggerated more when the bike is already a small volume manufacture run.

The original monster was the most popular model that Ducati ever made but they still weren't made in vast numbers that the likes of Honda and Suzuki churned out. If you look on that DVLA link that Rob posted, even some of the more recent Ducati models registered 10-15 years ago are already in single figures!

[Jez900ie]

It looks much better chopped to my eyes!

[Dirty]

That's a big Dirty thumbs up.

A standard bike that has done a good few miles and hasn't been kept in A1 condition won't ever be making big money imo. I think the specials will fetch a premium so probably not a great idea to chop one of them (can't believe I said that :) )

[CarloL]

Bike is there to be driven :) She was not bought as an investment , IMHO I think I would be waiting a long time to get a return , It wont affect the outlay I paid , I like it , really highlights the lines of the bike