What Chain???

[serialrisk]

Morning All

Well I think its time for a new chain and sprockets for my S4Rs.

What are the recommendations. D.I.D, Renthal, OEM or other brands?

I have always gone with D.I.D on my past Jap bikes so am favouring the 525 ZVMX chain from DID.

And just to confirm, its a 525 with 104 links. And 15 teeth at the front and 43 teeth at the back.

Cheers :-)

[damien666]

I went with your chain of choice (zvmx) in gold. Your sizes are correct regarding chain length and teeth. I used a jt front sprocket and a supersprox rear. ( seen them on demon tweeks site).

[chris.p]

I always use Tzubaki from http://www.bandcexpress.co.uk/, really helpful and always in stock with V fast delivery, don't forget you will need new sprockets as well.

[SunEye]

Most recently I used AFAM chain and sprockets on my M1100evo. Prior to that I used Renthal sprockets and DID (I think) chain on my M1100 and Tzubaki and DID chains on my Kawasaki ZRXs. All of them worked well. The AFAM was at the suggestion of the guys at Pro Twins. From their experiences they preferred them to other makes.

[utopia]

I must say, the Afam front sprocket on my bike is very nicely made.
The boss on the retainer plate side is machined/forged to the same form as the retainer, not left big and round like some.
And the sprocket is well drilled for further lightness.
The weight difference between it and other brands I have handled is really rather staggering.

[Flip]

Another one for Afam Sprockets here, this time coupled with a DID VX2 chain which since fitting last year and having done about 5k and has only needed adjusting twice.

I bought mine from the lovely people at Bike Torque racing who I have used many times (way back before I had the Monster when they were solely GSX-R specialists). Never had a problem with them and they are more than happy to swap sprocket sizes as I did going up a couple of teeth on the rear.

http://i1372.photobucket.com/albums/ag329/fluke900/Slave%20Cylinder_zpsamydhlck.jpg (http://s1372.photobucket.com/user/fluke900/media/Slave%20Cylinder_zpsamydhlck.jpg.html)

A little more information from DID here:

http://www.didchain.com/PDF/DID_2014usa_final.pdf

Bike Torque Racing here:

http://www.biketorqueracing.co.uk/chains-sprockets

[Darren69]

+1 for DID chain. I have Renthal sprockets on the 748 and Talon on the Monster both good.

[serialrisk]

Do you need to replace the carrier on the monster when replacing the rear sprocket?

[Darren69]

I think the standard carrier and sprocket is one piece. I have a separate Renthal carrier and sprocket on my 748 which allows you to change the sprocket without taking out the wheel, also you only need to replace the sprocket in future.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Renthal-Alloy-Rear-Sprocket-Carrier-to-fit-Ducati-Monster-S4R-2004-2006-/231503751308?hash=item35e6b2e88c:g:H7sAAOSwU9xUPmz l

[Darren69]

Half the price of the Renthal one:-

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Billet-sprocket-carrier-for-Ducati-Monster-S4R-S4RS-S2R-800-1000-04-08-05-06-07-/390109421241?hash=item5ad4555eb9:g:UwoAAOSwm8VU1RV 2

[Kato]

Tsubaki R Pro chains on all of my bikes with Afam front sprockets

[damien666]

Do you need to replace the carrier on the monster when replacing the rear sprocket?

This is what i used, plus new front sprocket not pictured. Like anything i suppose, down to personal opinion and looks. So many options! :-)

http://i63.tinypic.com/2wqa9nn.jpg

[Flip]

+1 for DID chain. I have Renthal sprockets on the 748 and Talon on the Monster both good.

Oh yeah, I have Talon rear sprockets (which are beautifully made) for the little racer coupled with an R.K. chain, both work well but then it doesn't have a lot of horse power to pass on:

http://i1372.photobucket.com/albums/ag329/fluke900/IMG_2078_zps04a5843b.jpg (http://s1372.photobucket.com/user/fluke900/media/IMG_2078_zps04a5843b.jpg.html)

The front sprocket has to come from a specialist though as it is spaced off and has a thrower ring cut into it to try and control the oil getting past the seal:

http://i1372.photobucket.com/albums/ag329/fluke900/Racer%20Front%20Sprocket_zpszz4ez5as.jpg (http://s1372.photobucket.com/user/fluke900/media/Racer%20Front%20Sprocket_zpszz4ez5as.jpg.html)

[serialrisk]

That looks like a lovely bit of kit Flip?

[Jez900ie]

I'm about to replace the chain & sprockets so looking for the latest recommendations.
I'm thinking Supersprox Stealth rear, 43.
The chain by DID X ring but should I get the Super Heavy duty, Heavy duty (thers's also a racing one?).
Lastly a light front 15, but isn't the 900ie a little odd with offsets - I read your earlier post Mr Gazza!

Any other recommendations, preferred suppliers?
Thanks!
JEZ

[Capo]

While your about it, check the chain alignment.

[Capo]

AEM do a system this one with magnesium carrier and titanium cush bolts

Max can sort you out

https://s18.postimg.org/vnp4rx9m1/P1010569.jpg

[Jez900ie]

AEM do a system this one with magnesium carrier and titanium cush bolts

Max can sort you out

https://s18.postimg.org/vnp4rx9m1/P1010569.jpg

AEM? Thanks -I will google them & ask for Max.

[Capo]

Its Max Desmo Performance Products / Ray Petty Meccanica in London. He is the UK agent for AEM
Check out AEM website to see what is available.

[Jez900ie]

OK now I get it! Thanks again Capo.

[Mr Gazza]

Jez. The 900ie sprocket for 2000 is unique. It went back to standard a little later on but the change over time is not easy to pin down. It's all down to the position of the sprocket retainer groove in the shaft. I could measure the position on mine if you wish.

You can buy the specific sprocket if you look around hard enough, but you can also use a standard one with a spacer.

The standard one has a 10mm high boss on one side. The 2000 900ie one has a 5mm boss both sides.
To use a standard one, place the 10mm boss towards the engine and make a 5mm spacer to go between the sprocket and retainer plate. Use 5mm longer screws too.

The chain you need is DID VX-2. This is the lighter DID chain. I checked this when I fitted my last one, with DID themselves in Japan, after I doubted the blurb which states that, that chain is suitable for machines up to 750. DID confirmed that VX-2 was the right chain for my 900ie.
The previous chain was MUCH heavier and was the source of vibration and harshness.

I can recommend z15 front and z39 rear with a 98 link chain.

The fancy sprocket and carrier Capo pictured is for Single siders and no good on your forked swinging arm. just get a good ol' renthal.

[Jez900ie]

Jez. The 900ie sprocket for 2000 is unique. It went back to standard a little later on but the change over time is not easy to pin down. It's all down to the position of the sprocket retainer groove in the shaft. I could measure the position on mine if you wish.

You can buy the specific sprocket if you look around hard enough, but you can also use a standard one with a spacer.

The standard one has a 10mm high boss on one side. The 2000 900ie one has a 5mm boss both sides.
To use a standard one, place the 10mm boss towards the engine and make a 5mm spacer to go between the sprocket and retainer plate. Use 5mm longer screws too.

The chain you need is DID VX-2. This is the lighter DID chain. I checked this when I fitted my last one, with DID themselves in Japan, after I doubted the blurb which states that, that chain is suitable for machines up to 750. DID confirmed that VX-2 was the right chain for my 900ie.
The previous chain was MUCH heavier and was the source of vibration and harshness.

I can recommend z15 front and z39 rear with a 98 link chain.

The fancy sprocket and carrier Capo pictured is for Single siders and no good on your forked swinging arm. just get a good ol' renthal.

So the "Unique" sprocket is also required for the 2002 900ie aswell perhaps but maybe not? I' would have guessed they would be the same but... I will call Neil at Cornerspeed tomorrow and find out.

Currently the rear sprocket is a 43. What would be the benefits of changing to a 39?

[Mr Gazza]

You will probably need a standard front sprocket for a 2002 model, the quirky one was just 2000. (and a few early 2001)
I think it was derived from a Paso, but not sure on that?

If you're happy with the gearing, leave it be. A 39 tooth sprocket will be higher gearing than you're used to. It makes 6th a real overdrive gear, you won't be in 5th or 6th in the twisties. 20mph is as low as is comfortable without clutch slipping, so if you do a lot of town work, stick to the lower gearing.

I do get nearly 70mpg though, without riding like a poof.

[Jez900ie]

You will probably need a standard front sprocket for a 2002 model, the quirky one was just 2000. (and a few early 2001)
I think it was derived from a Paso, but not sure on that?

If you're happy with the gearing, leave it be. A 39 tooth sprocket will be higher gearing than you're used to. It makes 6th a real overdrive gear, you won't be in 5th or 6th in the twisties. 20mph is as low as is comfortable without clutch slipping, so if you do a lot of town work, stick to the lower gearing.

I do get nearly 70mpg though, without riding like a poof.

Thanks Mr Gazza, I figured you would know.

70mpg sounds like a fair bit better than mine, but for the most part the bike doesn't really go that far, that often so whats a bit of petrol. LOL.

Demon Tweeks have the full range of DID chains in stock but their page doesn't give the "VX-2" code on any of the three. A quick 'phone call should resolve that. I don't like the sound (or feel) of vibration or harshness.
https://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motorcycle/drive-chains?f=brand:did,

As for your riding like a poof - if you even slightly resemble your pic you can ride however you like and I won't say a word! LOL.

[Mr Gazza]

https://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motorcycle/drive-chains/d-i-d-heavy-duty-x-ring-drive-chain-gold-black

Select 520 VX2 GB Not sure what GB means, could be Gold/Black links?

Who says I ride like a poof?? :mad:

[Jez900ie]

https://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motorcycle/drive-chains/d-i-d-heavy-duty-x-ring-drive-chain-gold-black

Select 520 VX2 GB Not sure what GB means, could be Gold/Black links?

Who says I ride like a poof?? :mad:

Awesome! Thank you.