Life...

[Goofle]

Life has intervened. My plan of keeping the 93 Monster original, And tucked in the garage as a sunny Sunday Shropshire (Powys) toy has been replaced. I'm now thinking get a definitely second!!!! hand M900 and do the mods I fancied on my 93 M900, but worried about 'originality'. Ideally I'd like a single sided swing arm, aka 916 and a modified and chopped rear end but fear that'd be a tad ambitious. Right now I'd settle for a project...

Yours, on EBay,

Goofle.

[Goofle]

Ps if anyone knows how to alter my location from 'Shrewsbury' to 'Homeless' please let me know!!

[Pedro]

Keep the 93 original, buy a project

[Stuart42]

Hi

If you do to put a swing arm in I've done it, http://www.ukmonster.co.uk/monster/showthread.php?t=35498

I also have a swing arm I no longer need.

Cheers
Stuart

[Zimbo]

Agreed with Ped, keep the 93 M900 original, it's a fast appreciating classic. Putting a single side swinging arm on it will cut literally thousands off it's value in a few years. Buy another (more common / later) bike to modify if you feel the need to do it, there aren't many '93 M900s coming up for sale now and those that do are starting to fetch very good money ...

[Albie]

Agreed with Ped, keep the 93 M900 original, it's a fast appreciating classic. Putting a single side swinging arm on it will cut literally thousands off it's value in a few years. Buy another (more common / later) bike to modify if you feel the need to do it, there aren't many '93 M900s coming up for sale now and those that do are starting to fetch very good money ...

:thumbsup: I feel blessed and not even doing it for the value. Just looking at the way cars and bikes go across the classic list.

I wouldn't modify anything further than the point of not being able to return it back.
My son in law has a Ford Focus ST pumpkin version that he has spent £1000's on and wants to track it and give yes give stock parts away. I have told him he is a fool and he insists he will never sell. Why give the parts away then. He wont be told. If I still had my Escorts and Capri and Marcos and Mini.

[utopia]

I take the opposite view actually .... what's so special about the "original" model ?
Ducati made more monsters than anything else, so its not like they're scarce.
And the early models .... well they were just the ones which had a few niggles still needing to be sorted out while later models have all the upgrades.
I still have a black and white telly somewhere !! :idea:

Also, on a personal note, hope your "cardboard box" comment doesn't signify an unexpected change in circumstances. (no need to reply to that .. just saying.)

[Darren69]

Yea, why is a '93 bike more valuable than a '94? I can't understand, its the same bike and if anything the '94 will be improved on the '93. I have a ZX81 to go with that black and white TV, that should be worth '000's then, as its an early one? :)

[Dirty]

I have a ZX81 to go with that black and white TV, that should be worth '000's then, as its an early one? :)

About £25 to £75 depending on type, if in immaculate untouched condition, orig box, etc. Which Caribbean island are you thinking of buying? :D

They cost £70 brand new (less in kit form) which is about £250 in todays money :D:D:D

I've got a Spectrum somewhere in the loft. I'll be looking to retire along with you when I sell it. :yoparty:


Unsurprisingly I'm with Utopia on this. I appreciate some like the originality as a hobby, like Albie's build thread plus his mopeds and those who just like it as it is and want to keep it that way. I don't think they'll ever attract mega money like some models though. Of course people like the above and those looking to make some cash should celebrate people like me who would tail chop and change swing arms etc. We help make your bikes rarer and more valuable :)

[Albie]

Yea, why is a '93 bike more valuable than a '94? I can't understand, its the same bike and if anything the '94 will be improved on the '93. I have a ZX81 to go with that black and white TV, that should be worth '000's then, as its an early one? :)

Not always the case though. Nothing in life is guaranteed with value be it wrong colour or model type or such things as matching numbers. Its all relative.

My 93' bike is actually a 94' registered Feb 1994 and a L plate but personally I don't care it was made in 1993 and has all the hallmarks of early bike and not for sale anyhow.

Its only worth what someone will or is prepared to pay.

My 1975 German Yamaha SS50 fizzy restored fully no pedals value £2500-3000 if someone will pay it
My 1975 UK Yamaha Fsie popsi fully restored value £3500 -4000 if someone will pay it

1977 XT 500 fully restored value £4000 plus 90% genuine parts
1977 TT500 totally original with patina value £1500-2000 and a better bike too by far.

I regret selling my 1997 m900 as was a good a bike as any 1993 bike.

Also the s4 too but don't regret all the fun doing the stuff to it. I just like playing with bikes.

[Dukedesmo]

I buy a bike because I like the concept/look/performance or whatever it was that attracted me to it but then I look at how I can 'improve' it (because I know more than Ducati, obviously ;)), now that may not be to everyone's taste but that doesn't bother me because I do it for me to ride and not to sell or to show.

I always liked the Monster, which is why I got one but I have (IMO) improved upon the original design - more performance, better suspension, better brakes etc. what's not to like?

At the end of the day, do what you want with your bike because you only have one go at life and biking so you may as well enjoy it.

That said, I would keep all the original parts just in case you ever want to sell it etc. I didn't do this with the Monster as I never had all the original parts, rather I made it from bits but I have a much 'improved' 916 and a Guzzi LeMans that I am currently making a few 'improvements' to but I'm keeping all the original parts...

[Flip]

Love it !!!

This sort of subject always tends to polarize opinions on whether things should be left/put back to original or improved upon with modern materials or simply modified to a persons taste.

Your see it all through the classic world with people like Alfaholics taking old Alfas and fitting modern Alfa engines and running gear but keeping the original look of the car and then there are those that wouldn't fit electronic ignition because the thing came with points.

If you really want to P155 off the concours brigade go classic racing where if the thing (doesn't matter what unless you want Goodwood eligibility) was left original it wouldn't stand a chance of being competitive let alone pass technical control and noise tests.


From the original 1965 showroom:
http://i1372.photobucket.com/albums/ag329/fluke900/ducati-250-mach-1-04_zps05495774.jpg (http://s1372.photobucket.com/user/fluke900/media/ducati-250-mach-1-04_zps05495774.jpg.html)

To the track in 'modern' classic racing:
http://i1372.photobucket.com/albums/ag329/fluke900/DSC06019_zps24d9235f.jpg (http://s1372.photobucket.com/user/fluke900/media/DSC06019_zps24d9235f.jpg.html)

All they need then is someone who can ride the things proper fast (that's not me then!).

[Goofle]

Ps if anyone knows how to alter my location from 'Shrewsbury' to 'Homeless' please let me know!!

Thanks to whoever changed it!

Ps I didn't think my comment about modifying Monsters would raise such passionate feelings!

[Davy]

Please dont chop up an original M900.you just might regret it later.

[Rocker66]

Idel for you Goofle

http://www.ukmonster.co.uk/monster/showthread.php?t=53026&highlight=sale

[Mr Gazza]

I like a good customised bike...Well most of them anyway...There are some munters out there!!
But I do admire someone having a go, and occasionally creating something of beauty.

I've done plenty myself, not many of my bikes have escaped, but there are some notable exceptions.
Like the Ajay 250 Lightwieght CSR that I was the second owner of. It was very low mileage and all original, so I kept it as it was, complete with subtle patina.

And then there was a stunningly original 1975 Moto Morini 3 1/2 Sport which looked just like the brochure pictures....What a bike....But not quite right for me in some ways.
But I didn't hack it around to suit myself, I took it for what it was. When I could no longer put up with the aches from the riding position, I sold it on to another lucky enthusiast.

I had a go at quite a few Bonnies and other Triumph twins....Ripe for some customising, but there is one which I would not rape....The '69 model....Just so lovely and iconic as it came out of the factory.
....And so it is with the Monster..So many ways to revamp it, and why not?. But again, one stands out as being particulaly iconic in the bigger picture of Motorcycling history......The '93 model...:biggrin:

[DrD]

well my '93 is not returning to standard in my lifetime, in fact there are more parts arriving for the next revamp. It goes better, sounds better, handles better, rides and stops better than standard. And I think it looks better too - even if starting to look tatty around the edges. When I feel like it I will address that but it will not be standard once done (nor will it be plastic coated). I am not deriding the likes of Albie who is restoring to (near) standard his, but that is not my monster!

[Pedro]

Thanks to whoever changed it!



Guilty, 'twas me!

[Albie]

well my '93 is not returning to standard in my lifetime, in fact there are more parts arriving for the next revamp. It goes better, sounds better, handles better, rides and stops better than standard. And I think it looks better too - even if starting to look tatty around the edges. When I feel like it I will address that but it will not be standard once done (nor will it be plastic coated). I am not deriding the likes of Albie who is restoring to (near) standard his, but that is not my monster!

Don't you worry about me guys. My bike my choice. May be wrong choice lol. I am guilty of changing m900. S4. M1100s to bling. My scrambler is not stock. Don't think that I don't want to make it awesome with this and that. I appreciate custom. Racers. Radical. I am purely making it as having all the right pieces. Maybe once I do I will be a hypocrite and bolt on goodies.

[Darren69]

Spotted this cheap S4on ebay, it already has the single sided arm

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DUCATI-MONSTER-S4-R-/272056238666?hash=item3f57d0c24a:g:6b0AAOSwbdpWUc2 j

[Albie]

Spotted this cheap S4on ebay, it already has the single sided arm

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DUCATI-MONSTER-S4-R-/272056238666?hash=item3f57d0c24a:g:6b0AAOSwbdpWUc2 j

I would like to own that as a revisit to the watercooled side. First of the single siders. Funny the explanation of scratched water pump and side stand admitted before the dent in the tank. Looks a decent bike for the money. It was actually I think 10 years this week I went on the mission to get myself an s4 and nearly bought Rogers one he sold to Flip. That was a nice xmas present to myself.

[Zimbo]

Yea, why is a '93 bike more valuable than a '94? I can't understand, its the same bike and if anything the '94 will be improved on the '93. I have a ZX81 to go with that black and white TV, that should be worth '000's then, as its an early one? :)

People seem to prefer the original ones, for instance a Mk1 Superlight is more valuable than a Mk2 or Mk3.
The models changed constantly in spec, the biggest change being that in early 1996 the V2 "big valve" heads and higher power camshafts (as used on the 900SS) were changed for small valve heads and softer camshafts (presumably to use up large stocks of leftover 750 components?) which makes post early 1996 bikes less desirable, and therefore less valuable than the earlier ones ... But the later big valve monsters had Marzocchi forks, earlier ones had Showa forks, and so it goes on ...