1994 M600 owner coming to say hello!

[kevrobot]

Hi everyone, pleased to meet you! I've just recently aquired a 1994 M600 which I've decided to strip down and tart up over these cold winter months.
I was advised to come here from the chaps over at Moto Rapido as I may be on the look out for some new forks due to the stanchions on mine being pitted and the fork cartridge apparently being rolled into the stanchions in the factory.
I will no doubt be picking brains and asking annoyingly obvious questions very soon. ;)

Kev

[Dirty]

Welcome. Best Monster and best forum to be on.

Looking forward to build pics :)

[kevrobot]

Cheers mate! I'll do my best to keep up with photographing the build although it's halted at the moment because of these cush driver bushes and forks. Grrrrrr! Still great fun though. :)

Kev

[Zimbo]

Welcome Kev, you're certainly in the right place :-)

[Albie]

Plenty of info on here. Use the search function or just ask anything you need too.

[Darkness]

Hi Kev.

I hope to see details of your build as it progresses.

Have you got any mod's planned, or shall you get it up and running first?

Cheers

[Nottsbiker]

Welcome buddy!

I used some threaded bar, large washers and a socket to draw my cush drive rubbers out and it worked a treat ;)

[kevrobot]

Hiya everyone! Thanks for the kind words.
Nottsbiker, I have tried that but unfortunately that only took the inner sleeve and rubbers out so I'm trying various things to get the outer sleeve out of the wheels. So far I've tried stuffing bolts behind and drifting that way (I saw this on YouTube and thought it was worth a try), I'm currently grinding them with a dremmel so we will see where that takes me. I was considering a reamer to shave away piece by piece until they're gone.

Darkness, before I tore it down I chopped the back end and put some micro indicators on the back to tidy it all up. I also got rid of the filter housing for some k&n cones and upped the jetting to 145s. Seemed to have worked as the bike lunged a lot when cruising along....I discovered 125 jets in there and the needle clip was right out. I understand stock are 132.5? Anyway it rode well and was nice and smooth through all throttle positions and gears after my tinker.
Apart from that I am planning on keeping it fairly stock and just tarting it up and lightening the load by removing any unnecessary bits of plastic etc.

Kev

[Albie]

Heres my method I cut and pasted from removing the m900 inserts this summer. Needless to say I needed to not have bothered at all because powdercoating wouldn't have affected them and they were not worn.

" After the epic FAIL in even getting 1 cush drive out yesterday and drilling the centres out after giving up. I cleared the rubber out as good as possible and tried the dremel attack but wasn't getting very far and ended up pushing one further down.
Got my engineering head on and watched a video and couldn't quite see how he was getting them out but I realised that there is a gap about 8mm at the bottom. If I could somehow get something to expand under and slidehammer it would be easy. I did think about making a tool but that's madness when you want them out now but if the idea helps others I am happy.
I got a long M10 bolt so the head would sit under the bottom of the cush drive. 2 side by side would fit so I needed something to pack the difference and used a socket and then retained it with a couple of strong washers and a nut. With that holding firm I could then attack from the rear through the disc brake side and had a nice surface area to tap through. A few sharp drifts and they all came out and they annoyingly were clean as a whistle but I had to finish the first one with a hacksaw and gradually lever it out. Some minor damage will clean up ok but finally they can be get given to specialists to apply a good finish.

http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/b423/ukmonster/Monster%20900/20150710_191624.jpg (http://s1042.photobucket.com/user/ukmonster/media/Monster%20900/20150710_191624.jpg.html)

http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/b423/ukmonster/Monster%20900/20150710_191632.jpg (http://s1042.photobucket.com/user/ukmonster/media/Monster%20900/20150710_191632.jpg.html)
"

[kevrobot]

Ah ha! Cheers Albi, I will give that a whirl. Didn't even think about using a socket head to pack it out with. I'll give that a whirl in a moment when the wife takes the dog out (freedom vouchers ensue). Will report back soon.

On another note, I am only removing them for powder coating, if I had known I would have left them but the general reason I saw for removal on other forums was to prep for coating. Damn!!

You live and learn. :)

Kev

[Albie]

Ah ha! Cheers Albi, I will give that a whirl. Didn't even think about using a socket head to pack it out with. I'll give that a whirl in a moment when the wife takes the dog out (freedom vouchers ensue). Will report back soon.

On another note, I am only removing them for powder coating, if I had known I would have left them but the general reason I saw for removal on other forums was to prep for coating. Damn!!

You live and learn. :)

Kev

Same here mate. Some say yes some say no. This was Redditch Powdercoat who have years of experience. Bearings are the only exception because the release oil and grease when heated or blasted. It really also depends on the condition of the rubber whether cracked or not. Read my thread to help if you want as I am doing a COMPLETE top to bottom restoration and as much info provided as I can.

http://www.ukmonster.co.uk/monster/showthread.php?t=52061

[kevrobot]

I'll take a peek of that. Thanks mate.
On a good note, my hands are dirty again, on a bad note, the m10 bolt trick didn't work. I'm wondering if it would harm the alloy if I weld up some pieces to the sleeves and batter them out as the bolts/socket/washer combo kept slipping after a few bashes.

Cheers again for the help mate, everything is worth a punt. :)

Kev

[Nottsbiker]

I wonder if a blind bearing puller would get enough purchase on the inner lip to be able to extract them? Might be worth a shot

[kevrobot]

Worth a shot Nottsbiker, I've seen them used to remove complete cush bushes but never the sleeves. I could do with getting one anyway so I'll get on fleabay now and order one. Definitely worth a shot.

Kev

[Albie]

I'll take a peek of that. Thanks mate.
On a good note, my hands are dirty again, on a bad note, the m10 bolt trick didn't work. I'm wondering if it would harm the alloy if I weld up some pieces to the sleeves and batter them out as the bolts/socket/washer combo kept slipping after a few bashes.

Cheers again for the help mate, everything is worth a punt. :)

Kev

My initial try with the standard method failed. I then tried the drilling and trying to hacksaw through the wall to weaken it as dremel failed. You will mark the alloy if not careful. I then tried my method successfully and they came out alright and the sides were as new no rust either. It almost needs like a T shape to hook under the wall and either a slide hammer or press out.

[Darkness]

Darkness, before I tore it down I chopped the back end and put some micro indicators on the back to tidy it all up......
Apart from that I am planning on keeping it fairly stock and just tarting it up and lightening the load by removing any unnecessary bits of plastic etc.
Kev

That's my idea of custom: if it runs, goes round corners and stops without it you don't need it. If it doesn't, look for a smaller/lighter/prettier one.

You may regret losing the tea tray if you do much riding on wet/muddy roads, but losing it it does clean up the lines.

What this thread needs is photo's.............

[Dirty]

No one regrets a tail chop :)

[kevrobot]

That's my idea of custom: if it runs, goes round corners and stops without it you don't need it. If it doesn't, look for a smaller/lighter/prettier one.

You may regret losing the tea tray if you do much riding on wet/muddy roads, but losing it it does clean up the lines.

What this thread needs is photo's.............

Well you want to see the size of the muguards on my XVS650....they're more of a nod to a mudguard than anything else so I tend to steer clear of muddy and wet days. Ha ha ha.

I'll get some photos up ASAP, need to upload some to my ftp.

Kev

[kevrobot]

http://blackeyespecialist.co.uk/monsterbuild/1.jpg
This is the M600 on the ride back from Hull when I bought it.

http://blackeyespecialist.co.uk/monsterbuild/2.jpg
This was the beast last week before I stumbled across this cush drive system.

Oh and below is the Yammy I did last year. No wet roads for this one.
http://blackeyespecialist.co.uk/monsterbuild/Sonja.jpeg

Kev

[Albie]

Nice looking 600. Other bike looks good too.

[kevrobot]

Thanks Albie. On closer inspection though the 600 was quite rough. Badly rattle canned engine paint, mudguard kept on with rawl plug and wall screw etc etc. Ha ha.

[Albie]

Thanks Albie. On closer inspection though the 600 was quite rough. Badly rattle canned engine paint, mudguard kept on with rawl plug and wall screw etc etc. Ha ha.

Read mine then. Admittedly I bought it as a bargain £500 gamble knowing that but you uncover so much if you want to look closely. I really like the Yellow 600. I have also found welds on my engine mainly spatter from what looks like good job but found the evidence I would have removed had I done the work.
I bought a few mopeds over last few years to restore and one of them had brake shoes which should have had a pair of internal brake return springs, but one was connected together with what looked like a paper clip.

:fou::biggrin:

[kevrobot]

I have had a read of yours. Can't believe you picked it up for 500 quid, an absolute steal, mine was quite a bit more than that. Yours looks like it was in way better cosmetic shape than mine when you got it too.
In fairness so far there hasn't been much to replace and Ducati John has been over the engine and it all seems mechanically sound so I'm happy. Means that it's mainly cosmetics that need to be done.

[Albie]

I have had a read of yours. Can't believe you picked it up for 500 quid, an absolute steal, mine was quite a bit more than that. Yours looks like it was in way better cosmetic shape than mine when you got it too.
In fairness so far there hasn't been much to replace and Ducati John has been over the engine and it all seems mechanically sound so I'm happy. Means that it's mainly cosmetics that need to be done.

Yes but crank was shot and 6th gears hardening gone. Alone that's £784 and it still needs full rebuild engine belts gaskets seals and heads were stripped, oil ring broken, closer rocker broken, clutch plates worn, plus vapour blasting heads and barrels and paint. That all adds up to a LOT . I was gambling mind with open eyes knowing I have an early bike which I wanted so much since I got into classic bikes.

[kevrobot]

Yes but crank was shot and 6th gears hardening gone. Alone that's £784 and it still needs full rebuild engine belts gaskets seals and heads were stripped, oil ring broken, closer rocker broken, clutch plates worn, plus vapour blasting heads and barrels and paint. That all adds up to a LOT . I was gambling mind with open eyes knowing I have an early bike which I wanted so much since I got into classic bikes.

That's true mate and so far (touch wood) I've had no major mechanical bits to sort.

In other news I picked up a proper blind puller and it did the job after MUCH effort LOOOOOOADS of plus gas and some bruised hands.:flag:

http://blackeyespecialist.co.uk/monsterbuild/cushsuccess.jpg

waving goodbye with 2 fingers.
http://blackeyespecialist.co.uk/monsterbuild/byecush.jpg

Anyway I should start an M600 build thread this week once I have resized all the images so far.

Kev

[utopia]

Welcome along.
Glad you got them out.
Could you post a pic of the "blind puller", just out of interest.
......Stevie Wonder jokes will be frowned upon. ;)

[Dirty]

Anyway I should start an M600 build thread this week once I have resized all the images so far.

Kev

Use http://postimg.org/ and it will resize them for you

[kevrobot]

Welcome along.
Glad you got them out.
Could you post a pic of the "blind puller", just out of interest.
......Stevie Wonder jokes will be frowned upon. ;)

Ha ha ha ha. Already had one from one of my mates.

The blind puller is like this: http://www.justoffbase.co.uk/core/media/media.nl?id=59131&c=317638&h=c179d0e5e0e9e2339c8a

Basically 4 prongs which are expanded when you screw the bolt down. You then attach the slide hammer and pull em out. 1st attempts didn't work when I was pulling up from the floor with the wheel beneath my feet, but when I put the wheel on the side and had my legs holding it, they came out fairly easily.

[kevrobot]

Use http://postimg.org/ and it will resize them for you

I will batch do them in photoshop I reckon as I'll do the thread from my computer. Doing posts from the phone on forums is a right old pain in the buttox. Thanks for the advice though. :)

[utopia]

Its hard to tell from the picture but would I be correct in assuming that the puller grips on the bore of the inner steel sleeve ?
.....in which case, the rubber is still effectively absorbing some of the shock load as you apply the slide hammer ...?
.....in which case I'm slightly but pleasantly surprised that it worked.
I've not had to remove mine yet but I daresay there will come a day when I do, so its all good info to file for future ref.
Ta.

[Dirty]

Its hard to tell from the picture but would I be correct in assuming that the puller grips on the bore of the inner steel sleeve ?
.....in which case, the rubber is still effectively absorbing some of the shock load as you apply the slide hammer ...?
.....in which case I'm slightly but pleasantly surprised that it worked.
I've not had to remove mine yet but I daresay there will come a day when I do, so its all good info to file for future ref.
Ta.

No I think he removed all the rubber 1st so Stevie Wonder gripped on the outer sleeve only

[Darkness]

http://blackeyespecialist.co.uk/monsterbuild/cushsuccess.jpg

Anyway I should start an M600 build thread this week once I have resized all the images so far.

Kev

I didn't see the bruises, I was distracted by the elefant on the wheel spoke....there should be quite a few more dotted around the bike.

[kevrobot]

Utopia, that's it. The puller has a lip at the bottom which is wider than the bore of the sleeve once expanded. I had removed the rubber before doing this, so that only the outer sleeve remained.
I've seen people pull these bushes complete but I had already worked away the rubber when I made my redneck puller.
Apparently if you heat the ally up enough you can pull them in one piece.
Kev

[kevrobot]

Darkness, they're on my palm and one on my other thumb. Ha ha. Yeah there are a few elephants kicking about, but couldn't tell you where off the top of my head. All the Ducati logos and fonts will be highlighted on the bike so I'll be keeping my eyes peeled for em.

Kev