Help Needed!!!

[DMIreland]

Hello
Im seeking help regarding an vehicle (motorcycle) i bought off a private person, the bike was imported from UK. the motorcycle came with UK logbook and uk plates(I’m in Republic Of Ireland).Ive checked the bike on DVLA website and the bike is registered in UK, chassis number is confirmed so is the reg. The day i went to buy the bike, before i closed the deal i rang DVLA asking for info about the bike(to see if is declared as stollen or scrapped) and I’ve been told by the DVLA worker the bike doesn’t show as stollen or scrapped in their system. Then i asked what is the best procedure to get the bike registered in Republic Of Ireland. Ive been advised by the DVLA worker to send the logbook along with the form V756 to them and they will issue an Certificate Of Permanent export which will help me to register the bike in Ireland. Done that, send it registered to Swansea, DVLA head office and waited for an answer. 2 weeks later they send me a letter saying the motorcycle i just bought is registered as Scrapped(even i asked beforehand the DVLA worker when i bought the bike if it is and the answer was NO) and that they won’t issue certificate of permanent export also won’t send back to me the original Logbook i sent to them. Irish authorities refuse to register the vehicle as i don’t have the original UK logbook or certificate of permanent export issued by DVLA. The bike is in perfect condition and it wasn’t repaired(I’ve had Ducati Ireland have the bike visually inspected, Ducati Monster 696) and they confirmed the bike wasn’t repaired or crashed.
Any Help Is Much Appreciated.
Regards, Nick

[don_matese]

Could it be that the wrong part of the log book was sent in? one section is for disposal/motor dealer and another is for selling on to a new keeper. It may be that the wrong information was entered. Call them to find out when the vehicle was disposed of according to their records - it may be that its been registered as disposed when it was transferred to you.

I'm not 100% on the forms you'd need but writing to them in full to explain the situation, show them the inspection reports you've had done (send copies not originals to begin with) then you should be able to get the issue rectified. it may be that the bike you have was disposed of due to a cat c/d write off (something as simple as a busted tank could do it) and the frame has been reused to make a broken bike good.

[don_matese]

You'll also need one of these https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-identity-check/overview

[Darren69]

Its probably an error on their part with the paperwork, good luck is all I can say. They messed up the registration of a Q plate bike that I had after I sent the log book to get it put in my name and then refused to re-issue the log book to me saying the Q plate reg was registered to another bike. I had all sorts of hassle including Police vehicle fraud inspections then when they admitted that the bike was indeed ok I was told I would have to have to arrange for a type approval inspection at a special DVLA centre in order to get it mot'd like they do for trikes and custom built cars, for which I would have to pay, this was a standard non modified bike which had already been registered with them. I gave up eventually and sold the bike on. So like I say best of luck.

[DMIreland]

Thanks for your answer. I've been on the phone with DVLA and they say the bike is registered as destroyed since April 2012. And they also say'd it is nothing they can do about and that the bike shouldn't of been on the road atall!!! Now I'm left with a bike I can't register in Republic of Ireland as I don't have the original documents.
I've told DVLA I'm willing to book VIC test and get an engineering report to prove the bike is in perfect condition and they say'd it won't help as they wont issue any documents for this bike! Crazy

[Darren69]

One positive thing, that you may be able to pursue is that in order to register the vehicle as scrapped they would have had to have been sent a 'Certificate' issued by the company that disposed of the vehicle, its not something that anyone can do. So I would ask them to send you a copy.

[DMIreland]

One positive thing, that you may be able to pursue is that in order to register the vehicle as scrapped they would have had to have been sent a 'Certificate' issued by the company that disposed of the vehicle, its not something that anyone can do. So I would ask them to send you a copy.

Thanks for the info. How will help me the copy?

[Darren69]

It will prove that it has been scrapped legitimately, if they've made an error and registered scrapped as an error they wouldn't be able to provide a copy, because they wouldn't have been sent one by the registered owner/keeper!

[don_matese]

Out of interest did they check just the number plate when you called initially or the vin number and engine number? If its the latter then potentially they could be held liable. If not then it could be youre the victim of crime. If you can get a hold of an irish frame you could in theory rebuild that using your bike as donor and then register that in ireland?

[DMIreland]

Out of interest did they check just the number plate when you called initially or the vin number and engine number? If its the latter then potentially they could be held liable. If not then it could be youre the victim of crime. If you can get a hold of an irish frame you could in theory rebuild that using your bike as donor and then register that in ireland?

Yes I could rebuild the bike. The problem is that here in Ireland you won't see to many ducatis on the road. Left alone 696. People are afraid of them. Japanese bikes are making the rules on irish roads. "Ducatis are exotic bikes"
Is there a breAker specialised in ducatis over in UK which I could ask for a frame with logbook? Preferably not "scrapped" declared:D

[don_matese]

Heres a cheeky thought...given the frame is ok... couldnt you erase the current vin number and apply through a "custom route" direct to ireland?

PS this is only intended as a method to get a genuinely mistakenly scrapped bike back on the road, while it could also apply to "ringing" I in no way condone the practice nor do I mean to promote it as a method of side stepping the legal implications of doing so.

[DMIreland]

Heres a cheeky thought...given the frame is ok... couldnt you erase the current vin number and apply through a "custom route" direct to ireland?

PS this is only intended as a method to get a genuinely mistakenly scrapped bike back on the road, while it could also apply to "ringing" I in no way condone the practice nor do I mean to promote it as a method of side stepping the legal implications of doing so.

No I wouldn't do that. This is vehicle cloning and it's illegal anywhere in the world. I will probably break the bike for parts if I won't be able to surge a genuine frame with genuine documents. I will loose s**t loads of money but that's life. I wi take it as a lesson!

[don_matese]

True, thats why I edited my statement. If you are positive the bike is not cloned and was scrapped in error then you could legitimately cause it to be re-registered as a new bike. if there is doubt though thats a different case.

[DMIreland]

True, thats why I edited my statement. If you are positive the bike is not cloned and was scrapped in error then you could legitimately cause it to be re-registered as a new bike. if there is doubt though thats a different case.

I have no reason to belive the bike is being stollen. The thing is that I don't know what steps to take to put the bike back on the road! As when I spoke to DVLA today and told them I'm willing to apply for VIC test and then to get an engineer report to confirm the bike is road worthy, they say'd "it will be a waste of money as this bike once declared destroyed and a certificate exists to prove that the bike won't go back on the road".

[Dirty]

An HPI check should have shown this up. The better ones come with insurance. Wonder how Dvla cocked up!

[DMIreland]

An HPI check should have shown this up. The better ones come with insurance. Wonder how Dvla cocked up!

For the past tow days I've contacted few solicitor companies in UK about this matter. Now I'm waiting for answer to see if is something I can do.