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Capo

26-01-2014, 12:53 PM

Titanium head washers, with Ti nuts save 75 grams

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm143/Tarugo996/SP1020825_zps3f0dfbca.jpg (http://s295.photobucket.com/user/Tarugo996/media/SP1020825_zps3f0dfbca.jpg.html)

Dukedesmo

26-01-2014, 04:54 PM

Every little helps :)

Round washers would save a little more though... ;)

Saint aka ML

26-01-2014, 07:25 PM

Capo when you start going in to .xx grams I will start thinking you are mad :)

Capo

26-01-2014, 08:29 PM

Capo when you start going in to .xx grams I will start thinking you are mad :)

When added to other mods to the engine alone its over a kilo and is part of the 40kg reduction so far. So maybe not so mad.

Capo

26-01-2014, 08:40 PM

Every little helps :)

Round washers would save a little more though... ;)

The washers are D shape to prevent them from rotating during the tightening process. The flat on the washer engages with a flat milled on the head.

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm143/Tarugo996/AP1020830_zps89b6afb0.jpg (http://s295.photobucket.com/user/Tarugo996/media/AP1020830_zps89b6afb0.jpg.html)

Dukedesmo

26-01-2014, 08:45 PM

The washers are D shape to prevent them from rotating during the tightening process. The flat on the washer engages with a flat milled on the head.

I know, but I'm not convinced it makes any difference?

I believe Ducati even use round washers on later bikes, although that maybe for another kind of saving... ;)

Albie

26-01-2014, 09:22 PM

When added to other mods to the engine alone its over a kilo and is part of the 40kg reduction so far. So maybe not so mad.

You keep going matey. I think your doing a great job at your own expense. Its your money and its no doubt a bike you want to keep.
Where else can you save some then.

slob

26-01-2014, 09:37 PM

You can save almost everywhere, many tiny savings add up.
http://s14.directupload.net/images/140121/5phikmrc.jpg

Dirty

26-01-2014, 09:58 PM

Look after the .grams and the grams look after themselves and eventually grow into kilos. Of course by that time I've put on weight in equal measure but it's a net saving :)

Capo

26-01-2014, 10:04 PM

I'm working on a 220mm rear brake set up from Thorsten Durbahn in Germany, 1.5kg off and most of that rotating and all of it unsprung.

Next year will be CMC front discs a couple of kg and all rotating unsprung.

A new titanium exhaust is under fabrication in Italy and will save a couple more kilos.

I anticipate the weight wet less fuel to be in the low 150's.

And the engine is making 135 RWHP

Dukedesmo

27-01-2014, 08:22 AM

I anticipate the weight wet less fuel to be in the low 150's.

And the engine is making 135 RWHP

Very impressive numbers. :thumbsup:

utopia

27-01-2014, 08:30 AM

Oh dear, Rob. I don't think you should have shown him those carbon cam covers.

I've never cut titanium before and I was expecting a struggle, but in fact it wasn't nearly as hard to grind and file as I was expecting.
I have no idea what particular grade it was though...maybe other grades are tougher.
Next week I have some small bushes to make in titanium for Oz. I'm rather looking forward to having a go at those now.

Personally, I think that light weight is the holy grail for motorcycles.
I'd rather improve my bike by reducing its weight than by extracting more power from the motor.
Both are directly proportional to acceleration, but light weight has so many additional advantages in the handling stakes, and has no forfeit in terms of engine reliability/flexibility.
Those who were amongst our party that visited the NCR workshop will confirm my views, as they will have heard my moans of ecstacy when I sat on their super-light M4-One Shot (with its bog standard 1100evo motor).

Saint aka ML

27-01-2014, 09:43 AM

When added to other mods to the engine alone its over a kilo and is part of the 40kg reduction so far. So maybe not so mad.

Uk I know that I am talking about a time where you have run out of KG tro get rid off, run out of Grams to get rid off and started killing .xx grams or I thinki miligrams it is?

Capo

27-01-2014, 09:59 AM

Then I start a new project

Gerry

27-01-2014, 10:11 AM

Hi Capo

Do you have a link to some pics of your bike? I would love to see it, have only seen the odd pic in the past.

Cheers

Gerry

utopia

27-01-2014, 10:35 AM

This year's calendar.......September.

Capo

27-01-2014, 10:36 AM

This was from the first build, there have been incremental improvements since.

Currently it sits in component form in the front room of my house, I will commence reassembly soon just a few detail changes to the new aluminium frame then off to the powder coaters.

http://www.ukmonster.co.uk/monster/showthread.php?t=34400&highlight=capo

http://www.ukmonster.co.uk/monster/showthread.php?t=34401&highlight=capo

http://www.ukmonster.co.uk/monster/showthread.php?t=34402&highlight=capo

http://www.ukmonster.co.uk/monster/showthread.php?t=34403&highlight=capo

http://www.ukmonster.co.uk/monster/showthread.php?t=34404&highlight=capo

He11cat

27-01-2014, 12:10 PM

Utopia is a very talented person indeed :)

Gerry

27-01-2014, 12:19 PM

Bloody Hell ..... lovely.

Thank you Capo ..... a single minded pursuit of quality and lightness. The logo on the seat cowl .... have I seen this on a WWII mustang or such like ?

Dirty

27-01-2014, 12:32 PM

Bloody Hell ..... lovely.

Thank you Capo ..... a single minded pursuit of quality and lightness. The logo on the seat cowl .... have I seen this on a WWII mustang or such like ?

Meep meep :mand:

Gerry

27-01-2014, 01:07 PM

Meep meep :mand:

I don't think It's the roadrunner mate ...... he don't smoke either !!! sure I've seen it on a WWII fighter .... I'll have a dig round ...

Capo

27-01-2014, 01:49 PM

Its Mr Horsepower, from Clay Smith cams back in the '50's

Possibly to be replaced with this

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm143/Tarugo996/lobos2_zpsa3c413b8.jpg (http://s295.photobucket.com/user/Tarugo996/media/lobos2_zpsa3c413b8.jpg.html)

Gerry

27-01-2014, 02:02 PM

Thanks Capo ...... must have dreamt the P51 thing ....

Capo

27-01-2014, 02:06 PM

The belly pan is a piece of nose art first used by the flying tigers

Mr Gazza

27-01-2014, 05:47 PM

I like the bike Capo..And I regret not making it over to see you last year..Maybe this..?

I am a little puzzled that you mentioned getting your alloy frame powder coated, for a couple of reasons.

Given your quest for lightness, I think that powder coating is a relatively heavy finish, it actually goes on quite thick.
Aluminum is also quite hard to powder coat compared to steel, for various reasons, the main being that it does not hold the heat very well during the procces, and the finish is often not so good.

There are a couple of lighter options. One would be just to polish it, but that would not be very easy to look after.
Another would be to anodise, but I have absolutley no idea if that would be affordable.

My choice (and it isn't my frame anyway..!!) Would be a coat of zinc chromate primer and a light base coat with lacquer over..

None of my business of course, but just curious about the choice of powder coating..:biggrin:

Darren69

27-01-2014, 06:29 PM

slob

27-01-2014, 06:34 PM

Oh dear, Rob. I don't think you should have shown him those carbon cam covers.

Yes, I'm pure evil... mwahahahahaha!

(good thing he hasn't seen the thread the pic came from... or maybe he has)

Capo

27-01-2014, 08:15 PM

Yes, I'm pure evil... mwahahahahaha!

(good thing he hasn't seen the thread the pic came from... or maybe he has)

Seen it but its for a testtreta

Capo

27-01-2014, 08:19 PM

That's the next improvement maybe, thinner paint? Lovely bike too and very impressive spec, is that a carbon tank? I thought my Foggy was tricked up, bloody hell, think again Although I am on the look out for a nice S4R motor to drop in mine. BTW did you have the mag clutch casing re-chromated etc, I have one the same but no-one round here will touch it. It just needs a good strip and clean up. Could you recommend anywhere? Ta

Yes it is a carbon tank, the only plastic left is the breather vent tank and I'm working on that.

Actually I just had it powder coated by http://tpcs-magnesium-refurbs.co.uk/ they can rechomate.

Capo

27-01-2014, 08:27 PM

Sometimes practicality wins over weight. I have found powder coat to be a durable finish and have coated many aluminium parts including swing aram, engine cases, radiators and oil coolers with no problems.

I could have had it anodised by the guy that made it, but that would close the door on any future mods and inevitably it would get scratched and look shi tty after a while.

Mark Taylor

27-01-2014, 08:37 PM

WOW Awesome bike Capo:hail: mind boggling attention to detail, fantastic post - obviously a true labour of love - and a credit to you, amazing, no expense spared, truly inspiring - BIG respect fella :thumbsup:

Dukedesmo

27-01-2014, 08:46 PM

Capo

27-01-2014, 09:23 PM

Thank you for your comments. I hadn't realised that some people have not seen the bike. This year I will be at the East Kirkby and Fenman events and WDW.

The bike made the final 5 in the WDW 2010 garage contest and was on the Ducati stand, for me this was a significant achievement.

gary tompkins

27-01-2014, 11:36 PM

I'm hoping to shed a few kilos on the track bike. Nearly crapped myself when I saw the price of some of the unobtainum fasteners though. Think I'll downsize my fried breakfast instead - far more affordable option

Darren69

28-01-2014, 07:15 PM

Yes it is a carbon tank, the only plastic left is the breather vent tank and I'm working on that.

Actually I just had it powder coated by http://tpcs-magnesium-refurbs.co.uk/ they can rechomate.

Cheers for the heads up Capo. I will check them out for sure. Did you have a clear coat or colour?

Not seen a mag alt cover for these ever, a couple of early 916/888 ones but nothing for the later 3 phase bikes. I guess you're looking too?

So you have carbon air box too?, would so love to ditch the plastic lunch box on mine but so far have only seen the lids in carbon.

Albie

28-01-2014, 07:27 PM

This year's calendar.......September.

http://i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab293/albie10/IMG_7774_zps55e3d7e3.jpg (http://s873.photobucket.com/user/albie10/media/IMG_7774_zps55e3d7e3.jpg.html)

chris yeatman

28-01-2014, 09:27 PM

Great job on the bike capo. I also plan to get rid of a few kilos on mine by going on a diet! Lol

Capo

28-01-2014, 11:17 PM

Cheers for the heads up Capo. I will check them out for sure. Did you have a clear coat or colour?

Not seen a mag alt cover for these ever, a couple of early 916/888 ones but nothing for the later 3 phase bikes. I guess you're looking too?

So you have carbon air box too?, would so love to ditch the plastic lunch box on mine but so far have only seen the lids in carbon.

I have seen a three phase unit but most of what you see are single phase.
The problem with magnesium on the water cooled is corrosion, running plain water as mandated by the racing regs, corrodes them to useless in a season. Actually it one of the reasons I run Evans coolant as it is non conductive and therefore eliminates the galvanic component, but I was not quite quick off the mark to get the unit I saw.

My mag cover has been powder coated black to match the engine.

Max can get you one of these

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm143/Tarugo996/P1020399_zpsc466e076.jpg (http://s295.photobucket.com/user/Tarugo996/media/P1020399_zpsc466e076.jpg.html)