WDW 2012, who's interested in going?

[Grumpy]

To get an idea of numbers so crossings and accomadation can be looked into, please copy and paste your name to the list below.
The dates are 21st to 24th of june.


Grumpy

[Kato]

Grumpy
Kato

[macshot]

macshot count me in for now :)

[Mohawk]

Grumpy
Kato
Macshot
Mohawk

[uksurfer]

looked at crossing LD lines on saturday o/night 16th from portsmouth to le havre
4 day ride down there
thurs - sunday at show
monday ride back with a thursday 28th pm ferry back

seems like a plan for a trip

[gary tompkins]

FYI not much happens at the circuit on Sunday.. or Thursday to be honest. The main days are Friday and Saturday. Many didn't bother to go down on Sunday, other than to shop for last minute bargains and several of us left to ride home mid morning.

[J.P]

Two days at WDW is enough that's for sure as you do end up sitting around chatting most of the time.

What you REALLY should do is look at booking yourself onto one of the escorted road rides that Ducati put on, feedback on those was top notch.

[macshot]

looked at crossing LD lines on saturday o/night 16th from portsmouth to le havre
4 day ride down there
thurs - sunday at show
monday ride back with a thursday 28th pm ferry back

seems like a plan for a trip
just wondering, to misano is about 1000 miles from London, with a bit effort we can do that in two days :) what you think a bout it.
Just my thought as for some two weeks can be to long.
Hope we will work.out this well.
Cheers

[J.P]

It is about 1,000 miles from London, but you should go through the Alps and play around a bit and enjoy getting there and back.

[macshot]

It is about 1,000 miles from London, but you should go through the Alps and play around a bit and enjoy getting there and back.

Ok, got it :)

So pushing it will take max three days ;)

[uksurfer]

For me it's more about the ride there, I will enjoy playing in the alps a lot, if I take an extra day I'm happy

[J.P]

And don't forget if you get the chance to ride the Futa Pass near Modena that's worth it too :)

[utopia]

Interested in going ? Oh very yes.
Time available ? Absolutely.
Likely to have the funds ? Not very yes at all (but that's one I can work on).
So thats a hopeful maybe then. (but not enough to go on the list yet).
1000 miles down to the adriatic in june sounds like bliss...why hurry?
Does anyone who's been before have a rough estimate of the total cost, inluding accomodation en route, fuel, and all the other essentials ?
Do you take tents, or is it all b&b/hotel, both en route and at the event ?

[utopia]

Hmmm.
Did some very rough calcs.
I've got £1300 so far.
That might be more of a hopeful maybe not.
Still a hopeful though.

[uksurfer]

i also worked out about £1300 i think

[crust]

Grumpy
Kato
Macshot
Mohawk
crust < possibly/maybe


Mon - Weds - ride down
Thurs - go to circuit, book curves and turns tour, see everthing in two hours, get hot + bored
Fri - Curves and turns tour
Sat - local ride out to San Marino or somewhere
Sun - Tues - ride home

£1300 should cover it

[Grumpy]

Can we get back on the theme of the thread folks! The idea is to get an idea of numbers to help with booking accomadation.
Who's interested in going!

Can I suggest we start another thread as to how people plan to travel down, as we will have a multitude of options!!

Might be an idea if people orginise themselves into regional groups to discuss traveling.

[uksurfer]

I am interested in going, are you booking accommodation already?

[chris yeatman]

still wana go, but not sure about the funds yet!

[uksurfer]

Grumpy
Kato
Macshot
Mohawk
crust < possibly/maybe)
uksmurfer
char
Chris Yeatman (maybe)

[AndyG]

Grumpy
Kato
Macshot
Mohawk
crust < possibly/maybe)
uksmurfer
char
Chris Yeatman (maybe)
AndyG (maybe)

[Grumpy]

I am interested in going, are you booking accommodation already?

After the hiccup with last years hotel, plus with Rossi being at the event, which will I believe encourage more than the 40 thousand who turned up last year to attend the event, I think we should pre plan further in advance this time.:thumbsup:
Also , Capo and I have been looking on the net for the past couple of weeks for suitable accomadation, as our sources gave us a heads up that WDW would be on! :D

Once we have an idea of numbers, assuming everyone would like to stay in the same hotel, we can narrow down the possiblities as to where to stay.

Those of you who are interested in going but don't now if you will actually make it, please add you name in the same manner as crust/chris y, as its better to over estimate than under the amount of rooms required.

[Fugly]

Grumpy
Kato
Macshot
Mohawk
crust < possibly/maybe)
uksmurfer
char
Chris Yeatman (maybe)
AndyG (maybe)
Fugly (maybe)

[Altaian]

Two days at WDW is enough that's for sure as you do end up sitting around chatting most of the time.

I agree with J.P, although with looking back on my trip there for WDW2010, it's worth getting to Misano early enough on Thursday to register at the circuit in the evening - so as to avoid the rush & queues and save the hassle on Friday morning. It was trés warm last year...

The ticket also gives you the opportunity to visit the factory within the event price. I didn't make it last year, and haven't been, but it's probably a full day - which would make arriving Weds evening worthwhile should others be interested in this.

It's a shame the Mugello MotoGP is in July this year. Would've been good to combine it. Missed out last time, as it was the w/e before. Silverstone has the honour of that in the current 2012 calendar.

[Kato]

After the hiccup with last years hotel, plus with Rossi being at the event

That settles it then if that TW4T is going I'll have to stay home:hissy:

[buzzbomb]

That settles it then if that TW4T is going I'll have to stay home:hissy:

Come on Rob you can't let that put you off going...:rolleyes:

There'll be lots more stuff going on to keep you happy...:booze:

[crust]

That settles it then if that TW4T is going I'll have to stay home:hissy:

Sounds like the perfect opportunity to congratulate the donkey on his epic achievement of taking a race winning bike and turning it into a complete also ran.

[Capo]

Grumpy
Kato
Macshot
Mohawk
crust < possibly/maybe)
uksmurfer
char
Chris Yeatman (maybe)
AndyG (maybe)
Fugly (maybe)
Capo & Marchesini

[Gadget]

Grumpy
Kato
Macshot
Mohawk
crust < possibly/maybe)
uksmurfer
char
Chris Yeatman (maybe)
AndyG (maybe)
Fugly (maybe)
Capo & Marchesini
Gadget

[Rally]

Grumpy
Kato
Macshot
Mohawk
crust < possibly/maybe)
uksmurfer
char
Chris Yeatman (maybe)
AndyG (maybe)
Fugly (maybe)
Capo & Marchesini
Gadget
Rally (A strong maybe!) A chat at work required.

[macshot]

Grumpy
Kato
Macshot ( strong maybe- preferably camping- £ issue)
Mohawk
crust < possibly/maybe)
uksmurfer
char
Chris Yeatman (maybe)
AndyG (maybe)
Fugly (maybe)
Capo & Marchesini
Gadget
Rally (A strong maybe!) A chat at work required.

[LouSCannon]

Grumpy
Kato
Macshot ( strong maybe- preferably camping- £ issue)
Mohawk
crust < possibly/maybe)
uksmurfer
char
Chris Yeatman (maybe)
AndyG (maybe)
Fugly (maybe)
Capo & Marchesini
Gadget
Rally (A strong maybe!) A chat at work required.
LouSCannon (maybe, like rally work dependant)

[Stafford]

Grumpy
Kato
Macshot ( strong maybe- preferably camping- £ issue)
Mohawk
crust < possibly/maybe)
uksmurfer
char
Chris Yeatman (maybe)
AndyG (maybe)
Fugly (maybe)
Capo & Marchesini
Gadget
Rally (A strong maybe!) A chat at work required.
LouSCannon (maybe, like rally work dependant)
Stafford (TT commitments dependant)

[Altaian]

Grumpy
Kato
Macshot ( strong maybe- preferably camping- £ issue)
Mohawk
crust < possibly/maybe)
uksmurfer
char
Chris Yeatman (maybe)
AndyG (maybe)
Fugly (maybe)
Capo & Marchesini
Gadget
Rally (A strong maybe!) A chat at work required.
LouSCannon (maybe, like rally work dependant)
Stafford (TT commitments dependant)
Altaian (camping would add an interesting element - ultimate touring :yoparty: )

[Kato]

Altaian (camping would add an interesting element - ultimate touring :yoparty: )


NO NO NO NO I've never yet seen a tent with 5 stars above the door:thumbsdown:, its a bad plan, its a very bad plan, padded luxury all the way please

[Altaian]

NO NO NO NO I've never yet seen a tent with 5 stars above the door:thumbsdown:, its a bad plan, its a very bad plan, padded luxury all the way please

Hey, I didn't say I was against the idea of a bit of luxury, just testing the water. Macshot could be camping on his own at this rate.

Where's your adventurous spirit? :eyepopping:

btw, even on a bad night you get more than 5 stars above the door & on a clear night you'll lose count :dizzy:

:p

[Gordon H]

NO NO NO NO I've never yet seen a tent with 5 stars above the door:thumbsdown:, its a bad plan, its a very bad plan, padded luxury all the way please

Minimum!! Don't forget hot and cold running mini bar / chamber maids.........

[Char]

Minimum!! Don't forget hot and cold running mini bar / chamber maids.........

Not to mention those nasty inclines on the Alps

[Pomp1]

Not sure how I'll get there but I will attend. You guys will need a translator/negotiator ;)

[uksurfer]

hotels and hot showers please! :ukm:

[Grumpy]

Not sure how I'll get there but I will attend. You guys will need a translator/negotiator ;)

Thanks Max< who else will get us those great meal deals! ( or drive a van with 12 people in it on two wheels!:spin:)

[Gordon H]

Thanks Max< who else will get us those great meal deals! ( or drive a van with 12 people in it on two wheels!:spin:)

Handbrake stops at traffic lights during midnight dashes back to the accommodation are another speciality....... though that may have been down to a quick tug by Rally........

[macshot]

Hey, I didn't say I was against the idea of a bit of luxury, just testing the water. Macshot could be camping on his own at this rate.

Where's your adventurous spirit? :eyepopping:

btw, even on a bad night you get more than 5 stars above the door & on a clear night you'll lose count :dizzy:

:p

Camping its a v good idea, of course not for everyone.
Just thoughts, I like riding in this way and spending time.
In some cases riding and sleeps in hotels is like leaking ice cream trough the glass - but as I said - my preferences, no pressure.

hotels and hot showers please! :ukm:

...this kind of luxury I have on day by day basis ;)

[uksurfer]

i think i would struggle taking a tent with me on my bike, luggage capability has never been great

[chris yeatman]

i think i would struggle taking a tent with me on my bike, luggage capability has never been great

could always take the R1..........................

[uksurfer]

if im taking a tent, ill go in my truck :D

[Gordon H]

i think i would struggle taking a tent with me on my bike, luggage capability has never been great

Get someone to take you as luggage..... oh, hang on.....

[Char]

hold on a minute let me think about this...........

http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd401/Char66/bikeintent.jpg

http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd401/Char66/bed.jpg

[scrapps]

I was gutted I did not go last time but it was not due to a lack of funds. I was just not confident enough to go. I have not traveled much and don't travel well (nervous traveler) so the idea of such a long trip was just a lot to get my head round.
So now the whole problem is facing me again (hence i have not added my name):banghead:

[J.P]

Scrapps, you sound like exactly who my Motorcycle Touring company could be aimed at. :)

[scrapps]

Scrapps, you sound like exactly who my Motorcycle Touring company could be aimed at. :)

Maybe mate. I would love to ride to WDW and the factory.

[J.P]

Take the Multi and the trip would be a breeze.

[scrapps]

Its not the bike thats the problem its the rider :D

Maybe best to move this as its not the right thread subject

[Pomp1]

hold on a minute let me think about this...........

http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd401/Char66/bikeintent.jpg

http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd401/Char66/bed.jpg

Char you may be overestimating the quality of accommodation in Cattolica..

[J.P]

And I think Pomp means vs the 1st picture too !

[Char]

Only 300 euros a night

http://www.carducci76.it/en

Martin's not using that R1 stuck in my garage

Now where's my Ebay account :running:

[Capo]

I was gutted I did not go last time but it was not due to a lack of funds. I was just not confident enough to go. I have not traveled much and don't travel well (nervous traveler) so the idea of such a long trip was just a lot to get my head round.
So now the whole problem is facing me again (hence i have not added my name):banghead:

Some of us will be 'vanning' the bikes down, as this becomes more organised, you could possibly join in.

[Capo]

Grumpy is looking at accomodation that is not too expensive and is close to the circuit.
I believe there are camp sites in the area.

[utopia]

I believe there are camp sites in the area.

No camping on site then, I take it.....??

[gary tompkins]

No camping AFAIK

I didn't spot any in 2010 - possibly distracted by the bike wash

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQOGw54Z5Pr1pW7SnJpYh5Oe9ZibkO8I L96KTzsLaiURZ8inJk9Fu-jVWBT

[J.P]

I wouldn't mind 'camping' there

[Capo]

http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=0&oq=misano+cam&hl=en-GB&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGLL_en-GBGB411GB411&q=misano+camping

[ladybird]

Not sure how I'll get there but I will attend. You guys will need a translator/negotiator ;)

iPhone translating got me a room key last year (just about ...), but maybe we need someone to distract the cougars :)

[Capo]

Ah but can your iPhone get us discounts or point to a dish and tell us what it is.

[ladybird]

Ah but can your iPhone get us discounts or point to a dish and tell us what it is.

probably not in the same time frame as a Max could :dizzy:
and it did take about half an hour to get my key :) :)

[Capo]

No camping AFAIK

I didn't spot any in 2010 - possibly distracted by the bike wash

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQOGw54Z5Pr1pW7SnJpYh5Oe9ZibkO8I L96KTzsLaiURZ8inJk9Fu-jVWBT

After days of endless gimping, I concluded that lady was the best looking there.

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm143/Tarugo996/9dd148c6.jpg

[Lowsider]

Grumpy
Kato
Macshot ( strong maybe- preferably camping- £ issue)
Mohawk
crust < possibly/maybe)
uksmurfer
char
Chris Yeatman (maybe)
AndyG (maybe)
Fugly (maybe)
Capo & Marchesini
Gadget
Rally (A strong maybe!) A chat at work required.
LouSCannon (maybe, like rally work dependant)
Stafford (TT commitments dependant)
Altaian (camping would add an interesting element - ultimate touring )
Lowsider (I will be flying out and collecting my bike from pesaro - Ducati Leeds trip)

[MrsC_772]

Yay - WDW on over my birthday. :woot:

Nearest I've made to an early new year resolution for next year is to ride to Italy.

Grumpy
Kato
Macshot ( strong maybe- preferably camping- £ issue)
Mohawk
crust < possibly/maybe)
uksmurfer
char
Chris Yeatman (maybe)
AndyG (maybe)
Fugly (maybe)
Capo & Marchesini
Gadget
Rally (A strong maybe!) A chat at work required.
LouSCannon (maybe, like rally work dependant)
Stafford (TT commitments dependant)
Altaian (camping would add an interesting element - ultimate touring )
Lowsider (I will be flying out and collecting my bike from pesaro - Ducati Leeds trip)
MrsC_772 (NOT camping!) - will need to check with work first

[Kato]

Definitely NO CAMPING......and the route should be planned so that it does not pass any camping sites or camping shops unless we are allowed to chuck small incendiary devices at them.
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n275/marlboroman244/Photo_050705_012.jpg

[uksurfer]

Grumpy
Kato
Macshot ( strong maybe- preferably camping- £ issue)
Mohawk
crust < possibly/maybe)
uksmurfer -- looking for reasonably priced b&b's along the way!
char
Chris Yeatman (maybe)
AndyG (maybe)
Fugly (maybe)
Capo & Marchesini
Gadget
Rally (A strong maybe!) A chat at work required.
LouSCannon (maybe, like rally work dependant)
Stafford (TT commitments dependant)
Altaian (camping would add an interesting element - ultimate touring )
Lowsider (I will be flying out and collecting my bike from pesaro - Ducati Leeds trip)
MrsC_772 (NOT camping!) - will need to check with work first

[Saint aka ML]

Grumpy
Kato
Macshot ( strong maybe- preferably camping- £ issue)
Mohawk
crust < possibly/maybe)
uksmurfer -- looking for reasonably priced b&b's along the way!
char
Chris Yeatman (maybe)
AndyG (maybe)
Fugly (maybe)
Capo & Marchesini
Gadget
Rally (A strong maybe!) A chat at work required.
LouSCannon (maybe, like rally work dependant)
Stafford (TT commitments dependant)
Altaian (camping would add an interesting element - ultimate touring )
Lowsider (I will be flying out and collecting my bike from pesaro - Ducati Leeds trip)
MrsC_772 (NOT camping!) - will need to check with work first
Saint aka ML (Lucazade) - Probably, will need to check funds closer to date. Camping in tents all the way, nothing beats warm night camping with beer and grill.




Well maybe camping in warm night with beer, grill and hot lady.

[Grumpy]

Instead of camping, why not try this!

http://www.couchsurfing.org/

[Saint aka ML]

Instead of camping, why not try this!

http://www.couchsurfing.org/

Good idea if you defo want to be on the cheap but for me it is about experience of camping (till it starts raining as then I want a hotel room :D).

[uksurfer]

Grumpy, is there any updates for this yet, or when do you think we should start looking for somewhere to stay, I have heard that it might be busy :-)

[The Red Devil]

[QUOTE=MrsC_772;410783]Yay - WDW on over my birthday. :woot:

Nearest I've made to an early new year resolution for next year is to ride to Italy.

Grumpy
Kato
Macshot ( strong maybe- preferably camping- £ issue)
Mohawk
crust < possibly/maybe)
uksmurfer
char
Chris Yeatman (maybe)
AndyG (maybe)
Fugly (maybe)
Capo & Marchesini
Gadget
Rally (A strong maybe!) A chat at work required.
LouSCannon (maybe, like rally work dependant)
Stafford (TT commitments dependant)
Altaian (camping would add an interesting element - ultimate touring )
Lowsider (I will be flying out and collecting my bike from pesaro - Ducati Leeds trip)
MrsC_772 (NOT camping!) - will need to check with work first
The Red Devil (definate maybe -my 1st bike trip) Not Camping!:drunk:

[Mohawk]

Grumpy
Kato
Macshot ( strong maybe- preferably camping- £ issue)
Mohawk (Hotel already booked in Cattolica)
crust < possibly/maybe)
uksmurfer
char
Chris Yeatman (maybe)
AndyG (maybe)
Fugly (maybe)
Capo & Marchesini
Gadget
Rally (A strong maybe!) A chat at work required.
LouSCannon (maybe, like rally work dependant)
Stafford (TT commitments dependant)
Altaian (camping would add an interesting element - ultimate touring )
Lowsider (I will be flying out and collecting my bike from pesaro - Ducati Leeds trip)
MrsC_772 (NOT camping!) - will need to check with work first


Grumpy, for when you start to book hotels. Mine is already booked at Cattolica.

[The Red Devil]

[QUOTE=Mohawk;411345]Grumpy
Kato
Macshot ( strong maybe- preferably camping- £ issue)
Mohawk (Hotel already booked in Cattolica)
crust < possibly/maybe)
uksmurfer
char
Chris Yeatman (maybe)
AndyG (maybe)
Fugly (maybe)
Capo & Marchesini
Gadget
Rally (A strong maybe!) A chat at work required.
LouSCannon (maybe, like rally work dependant)
Stafford (TT commitments dependant)
Altaian (camping would add an interesting element - ultimate touring )
Lowsider (I will be flying out and collecting my bike from pesaro - Ducati Leeds trip)
MrsC_772 (NOT camping!) - will need to check with work first
The Red Devil (Definite Maybe) my first ever trip on my bike

Grumpy, for when you start to book hotels. Mine is already booked at Cattolica
__________________________________________________ ___________________________
my name fell off the list!!

[Mohawk]

Saint aka ML (Lucazade) - Probably, will need to check funds closer to date. Camping in tents all the way, nothing beats warm night camping with beer and grill.



Saint aka ML also seems to have dropped off the list

[The Red Devil]

Saint aka ML (Lucazade) - Probably, will need to check funds closer to date. Camping in tents all the way, nothing beats warm night camping with beer and grill.



Saint aka ML also seems to have dropped off the list

ooh i think he has!:eyepopping:

[The Red Devil]

[QUOTE=Saint aka ML;411295]Grumpy
Kato
Macshot ( strong maybe- preferably camping- £ issue)
Mohawk
crust < possibly/maybe)
uksmurfer -- looking for reasonably priced b&b's along the way!
char
Chris Yeatman (maybe)
AndyG (maybe)
Fugly (maybe)
Capo & Marchesini
Gadget
Rally (A strong maybe!) A chat at work required.
LouSCannon (maybe, like rally work dependant)
Stafford (TT commitments dependant)
Altaian (camping would add an interesting element - ultimate touring )
Lowsider (I will be flying out and collecting my bike from pesaro - Ducati Leeds trip)
MrsC_772 (NOT camping!) - will need to check with work first
Saint aka ML (Lucazade) - Probably, will need to check funds closer to date. Camping in tents all the way, nothing beats warm night camping with beer and grill.
The Red Devil (not camping!!)





Grumpy, for when you start to book hotels. Mine is already booked at Cattolica

[Saint aka ML]

Magic restored ;D

[macshot]

Maybe campers should get together and talk about it ..... :)

[Saint aka ML]

Are you calling us names?


Apparently someone is looking in to accomodation while we there a housing villas of a sort?

That sounds spot on and for that I can skip the camping at the place.

Still thinking that enroute it would be cool, especially that you only need 1 night stay.

[Pomp1]

Accommodation options are been looked into. Obviously we're mindful of budgets, requirements etc. couple of options should be up shortly for those which have expressed interest.

[supercharged]

Hi all, my first post on this site so thank you very much for having me. I was directed here from the ducatisti forum where I was told Grumpy is putting names together for WDW2012. Is this open to anyone or regulars only? My mate and I might be interested in some kind of hotel accommodation at Misano if this is possible? Cheers guys,

Chris.

[supercharged]

Got myself booked into place just down the road now but thanks anyway.

Chris.

[Pomp1]

OK peeps. Lots of people have expressed interest so is time to get things together so you can start budget and decide wether is doable or not.
So far the choice has been narrowed down to two possible accommodations:
http://www.villaggiomithos.it/ is a complex made of bungalows/villas. 4 peoples sharing works out at 40€ each per night.
http://www.locandarosy.com/index.htm is where we were supposed to stay last time, only for the guys to arrive a day early and an alternative accommodation had to be arranged:rolleyes:they haven't come back with a definitive quote yet but should again be on the region of 40€ night/person.
Both they offer secure parking (closed for the village, underground for the locanda).
The main difference is that one is close to the circuit but far from town and the other one is centre town and a few miles from the circuit.
Another difference is that the village would require a 30% deposit on booking while I don't think we had to put down any money last year.
Let me know your thoughts and a more definitive list, pretty please :mand:.
You're of course more than welcome to sort out own accommodation but last year we had a brilliant time staying in the same place and I think all work out pretty well, with meals and all that. Bear in mind that I spoke to people in Italy and they're booking hotels for 50 places at the time, so we need to be sharp on this.
Will keep you updated.
Cheers,
Max

[MrsC_772]

Thanks for the research Pomp1.

Better get my holiday form to my boss tomorrow, as I'm definitely up for a WDW trip next year.

I'd be happy with either of your suggested accommodation options.

However, not having been to WDW before I'm prepared to take advice from veterans about whether it's better to be closer to the circuit itself or the town.

Does everyone bring their bike to the circuit every day, or is it actually an advantage to be able to walk to the circuit from accommodation (e.g. avoid queues at the gate)?

Is there partying at the circuit in the evenings, or are events at the circuit daytime only, with the evening quaffing and carousing more in the town?

If some people wanted to camp, would that be possible at/near the village, while those of us who want proper beds could sleep there too (making it easier for everyone, campers and non-campers, to meet up)?

Personally, I'd rather not have to change into bike gear and get on the bike to head out in the evening for dinner and a drink, but would rather be in staggering distance of a good meal.

[The Red Devil]

OK peeps. Lots of people have expressed interest so is time to get things together so you can start budget and decide wether is doable or not.
So far the choice has been narrowed down to two possible accommodations:
http://www.villaggiomithos.it/ is a complex made of bungalows/villas. 4 peoples sharing works out at 40€ each per night.
http://www.locandarosy.com/index.htm is where we were supposed to stay last time, only for the guys to arrive a day early and an alternative accommodation had to be arranged:rolleyes:they haven't come back with a definitive quote yet but should again be on the region of 40€ night/person.
Both they offer secure parking (closed for the village, underground for the locanda).
The main difference is that one is close to the circuit but far from town and the other one is centre town and a few miles from the circuit.
Another difference is that the village would require a 30% deposit on booking while I don't think we had to put down any money last year.
Let me know your thoughts and a more definitive list, pretty please :mand:.
You're of course more than welcome to sort out own accommodation but last year we had a brilliant time staying in the same place and I think all work out pretty well, with meals and all that. Bear in mind that I spoke to people in Italy and they're booking hotels for 50 places at the time, so we need to be sharp on this.
Will keep you updated.
Cheers,
Max

la spiaggia.. looks really nice.. is this near the town or circuit ?
as a 1st timer i am also happy to go with the majority decision..
please put me down for one place please...
are we staying anywhere along the 1000mile journey to get there and back?
apologies if i am jumping the gun..:gromit:
happy to stump up a deposit if needed. appreciate you organizing this... and do we need to get tickets for WDW at the circuit? and any other events?

[Pomp1]

la spiaggia.. looks really nice.. is this near the town or circuit ?
as a 1st timer i am also happy to go with the majority decision..
please put me down for one place please...
are we staying anywhere along the 1000mile journey to get there and back?
apologies if i am jumping the gun..:gromit:
happy to stump up a deposit if needed. appreciate you organizing this... and do we need to get tickets for WDW at the circuit? and any other events?

La spiaggia is near the circuit, about 4-5 miles from the town. Few of us are talking about staying in Gallarate on the Wed. night to meet up with few (very good) friends, of course you're more than welcome to join us. Got a place with secure parking there where we can stay overnight with gated parking etc. I think the tickets need to be booked through the club to get the t shirt.

[The Red Devil]

La spiaggia is near the circuit, about 4-5 miles from the town. Few of us are talking about staying in Gallarate on the Wed. night to meet up with few (very good) friends, of course you're more than welcome to join us. Got a place with secure parking there where we can stay overnight with gated parking etc. I think the tickets need to be booked through the club to get the t shirt.

that sounds great thanks..appreciate the invite.. let me know when you need my details and some money...! :ukm:

[MrsC_772]

I was thinking Milan would make a good overnighter on the way down. Count me in for the Wednesday in Gallarate. I presume that there will be a drink or 2 with Alex's 100HP crew. :yoparty:

I guess we need somewhere in France for the Tuesday night. Last time I did a long haul through Europe (in a Scooby, not on a bike) we overnighted near Dijon having spent quite a lot of time on motorways from Calais, and having driven through the Champagne region.

I'd definitely be in the gently Bentley take it slow crowd for getting to and from Italy, rather than the Iron butt maximum miles per day club.

Let me know when you need money for deposits etc. When it comes to room sharing, I realise I might be the awkward one, being a girl. Char put her name on the list of interested people, so I'm hoping she'll still be up for it (if she could cope with my snoring!)

[Capo]

According to Google maps.
The distance between the two hotels is 2.5km
The distance to the circuit from la spiaggia is 4.4km (route actually passes Mithos Village).
The distance from to the circuit from Mithos Village is 1.7km.

I think that the Mithos Village deposit is a 'damage deposit' not a booking one.

Mithos Village has add on charges for towels.

la spiaggia looks ok and has comprehensive eating facilities.

For me guaranteed secure parking that can take a high top van is a must.

I'm easy, which ever works out cheaper.

We need to make reservations soon I hear some places are fully booked.

[Capo]

that sounds great thanks..appreciate the invite.. let me know when you need my details and some money...! :ukm:

Max is Italian so we don't have to guess at the menus :biggrin:

[Capo]

Thanks for the research Pomp1.

Better get my holiday form to my boss tomorrow, as I'm definitely up for a WDW trip next year.

I'd be happy with either of your suggested accommodation options.

However, not having been to WDW before I'm prepared to take advice from veterans about whether it's better to be closer to the circuit itself or the town.

Does everyone bring their bike to the circuit every day, or is it actually an advantage to be able to walk to the circuit from accommodation (e.g. avoid queues at the gate)?

Is there partying at the circuit in the evenings, or are events at the circuit daytime only, with the evening quaffing and carousing more in the town?

If some people wanted to camp, would that be possible at/near the village, while those of us who want proper beds could sleep there too (making it easier for everyone, campers and non-campers, to meet up)?

Personally, I'd rather not have to change into bike gear and get on the bike to head out in the evening for dinner and a drink, but would rather be in staggering distance of a good meal.

Depending on the time of day the entrance to the circuit is MOBBED with bikes. Every body rides there to see and be seen. These is a rock concert on Saturday night. If you want to eat italian then you will have to travel, and possible enjoy the back of the van with Max driving. There are some excellent restarounts in Rimmini and of course Frankie Chillis bar. Much partying by italian clubs. I loved the food here http://www.ristorantecavallucciomarino.com/cavallucciomarino/
Camping is within 2-3k of either of the proposed venues.

[uksurfer]

are we all planning on staying as a large group, or are we thinking of splitting into different accomodation at both places?
i am feeling the Wednesday would be handy too if im there in time?
would there be somewhere there to stay?
maybe we could devise a list of towns to stop in enroute so we can meet up and have a beer on the evening rather than big group riding?

[MrsC_772]

I like Martin's idea of pre-arranged rendez-vous so that we can ride at our own pace and meet up in the evening on the way down. I'm not a great fan of convoy riding and driving but it would be nice to be sociable at the end of the day.

[gary tompkins]

are we all planning on staying as a large group, or are we thinking of splitting into different accomodation at both places?
i am feeling the Wednesday would be handy too if im there in time?
would there be somewhere there to stay?
maybe we could devise a list of towns to stop in enroute so we can meet up and have a beer on the evening rather than big group riding?

We had a nice B&B stopover in Troyes on the way down. The B&B we used wasn't too expensive and had a secure gated carpark, but it wasn't that big so may be worth booking ahead. I enjoyed our meal in the town so much I stopped there on the way home as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troyes

We did struggle to find B&B spaces on the trip due to group size and not booking in advance

A good example was our night in Dijon. We trawled round for a while before finding somewhere with rooms on the outskirts. It was one of the downsides of travelling in a larger group.. and possibly something to bear in mind. However booking ahead means your travel plans are pre-determined from the outset, leaving less flexibility on route to and from Italy.

[The Red Devil]

We had a nice B&B stopover in Troyes on the way down. The B&B we used wasn't too expensive and had a secure gated carpark, but it wasn't that big so may be worth booking ahead. I enjoyed our meal in the town so much I stopped there on the way home as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troyes

We did struggle to find B&B spaces on the trip due to group size and not booking in advance

A good example was our night in Dijon. We trawled round for a while before finding somewhere with rooms on the outskirts. It was one of the downsides of travelling in a larger group.. and possibly something to bear in mind. However booking ahead means your travel plans are pre-determined from the outset, leaving less flexibility on route to and from Italy.

T
I think I would like to know where my bed will be..and that i have booked one in advance!... having never been before i would appreciate advice on where i might stay...with secure parking.. Im happy to ride in a group..although i appreciate everyone has their own pace they are comfortable with.. im not bothered about cracking all the speed limits..so if anyone wants to ride with me..at on or just under the speed limit on the trip down... that would be cool... and if we all stay in the same towns en route.. im sure we can all find a mutual pub/venue to socialize at the stop-overs..

[Capo]

T
I think I would like to know where my bed will be..and that i have booked one in advance!... having never been before i would appreciate advice on where i might stay...with secure parking.. Im happy to ride in a group..although i appreciate everyone has their own pace they are comfortable with.. im not bothered about cracking all the speed limits..so if anyone wants to ride with me..at on or just under the speed limit on the trip down... that would be cool... and if we all stay in the same towns en route.. im sure we can all find a mutual pub/venue to socialize at the stop-overs..

A target stopover is the 100HP club in Varese (just north of Milan) the experience of this club and it's members is well worth it.
Max is from this area and can arrange overnight accomodation.
Plan to arrive early evening.
Grumpy uses F1 motels basic but cheap
Recommend you take a chain or other security device.

[Altaian]

I personally think that if we can fill a place with UKMOC, then it will be a more enjoyable experience for all, as well as adding security.

A target stopover is the 100HP club in Varese (just north of Milan) the experience of this club and it's members is well worth it.
Recommend you take a chain or other security device.

I was thinking Milan would make a good overnighter on the way down. Count me in for the Wednesday in Gallarate. I presume that there will be a drink or 2 with Alex's 100HP crew.

I'd definitely be in the gently Bentley take it slow crowd for getting to and from Italy, rather than the Iron butt maximum miles per day club.

Let me know when you need money for deposits etc. When it comes to room sharing, I realise I might be the awkward one, being a girl. Char put her name on the list of interested people, so I'm hoping she'll still be up for it (if she could cope with my snoring!)

So far the choice has been narrowed down to two possible accommodations:
http://www.villaggiomithos.it/ is a complex made of bungalows/villas. 4 peoples sharing works out at 40€ each per night.
http://www.locandarosy.com/index.htm is where we were supposed to stay last time, only for the guys to arrive a day early and an alternative accommodation had to be arranged:rolleyes:they haven't come back with a definitive quote yet but should again be on the region of 40€ night/person.
Both they offer secure parking (closed for the village, underground for the locanda).
The main difference is that one is close to the circuit but far from town and the other one is centre town and a few miles from the circuit.
Another difference is that the village would require a 30% deposit on booking while I don't think we had to put down any money last year.

Ok, a deposit to me sounds like there's more liklihood of being guaranteed accommodation. Esp if we're booking en mass. So the Village is looking good - but I'll go with the majority.

I'd also like to stop over for the Weds night 100BHP club, but not sure if that is Varese or Gallartate. It'll make a nice short journey for the last hop. I do recall there being increased heat the closer you get to Misano, so less time in a single hit in leathers.

It is worth noting, that there are different types of tickets - for those who haven't been before. You can have a person ticket, or a bike & person ticket. If I'm riding a Ducati to Italy, I'll be riding her to the circuit, so it doesn't really matter if it's not walking distance. It goes against the rules, but most ride into the circuit in shorts & t-shirt. With the number of bikes, you don't go fast, and it's only a short distance. There's also a queue to get into the circuit, with rider & bike tags being scanned as a pair, so that the same pair leave the circuit together... It's a nice walk into the town, and there's always a choice of taxi or not drinking if you ride in.

I'll be taking more than one lock, so security is a personal choice. It's my ticket home & I don't want a dampner on the trip.

Don't mind group riding, although depending on size, it's going to be worth considering numbers for the overnight stops. I'm also ok with sharing, so as to keep costs down. It's a bed & a shower after a long haul. No point in burning too many miles in a day & not enjoy the evening and scenery of where you stop. Be nice to have a meal at at decent time.

[Saint aka ML]

The 1st option of bungallo/villa looks the best as there is beach near by.

[Char]

Martin & me liking the village to - maybe have some discussion on Sunday re booking etc

I cant see a laundrette but maybe there is a small stream nearby where I can do his washing :eek:

[Capo]

Martin & me liking the village to - maybe have some discussion on Sunday re booking etc

I cant see a laundrette but maybe there is a small stream nearby where I can do his washing :eek:

There I refrained on commenting on the snoring.

Each 'bungalow' in the village has a Kitchenette. with of course running water.

I note a list of 'obligatory' extras

Obligatory extras to be paid on site:
Forfait for use of electricity, water and gas, € 20,00 per person per week from 3 yrs. upwards
Subscription Club € 30,00 per person per week, from 3 yrs. upwards, includes use of sunshade and 2 sunloungers on the beach per unit, Mini-club, use of swimming pool.
Caution Deposit € 100,00 per unit, refundable at the end of stay after inspection of the Bungalows/Cottages by the Direction.

Optionals to be paid for on sight and requested on booking:
Single bed linen € 7,00 per kit
Kit towels (cloth bath and cloth ace) € 7,00 per person
Cot € 30,00 per week

Animals:
small pets welcome, €50,00 per end of stay cleaning to be paid for on sight. Pets not allowed in the public rooms and to be kept on a lead.

End of stay cleaning:
the client is liable for end of stay cleaning, a fine of € 35,00 will be applied if the Bungalows/Cottages is not clean upon departure.

Private parking for every Bungalow

[Grumpy]

Hi guys,
personally, I think the Rosy is a better option.

Its in Cattolica so evening strolls to bars and resturants are easy, last yr if we travelled anywhere at night, we all had to fit into the transit van Max hired. 13 of us in the van was interesting!
The village seems to want to charge extras for several areas I would expect to be inclusive e.g. electricity.
There is quite an atmosphere in Cattolica in the evening, which I feel adds to the event.
I noticed a few comments about clothes washing, personally I would take travel wash, but I try to travel light, those who travelled down with me last yr will remember all I took was a rucksack. any other clothes/items I felt I needed where either taken down by Max in the transit or purchased on route.

As for travelling to the event, its an easy route from Cattolica to the circuit. Plus, whilst I did que a couple of times to get in, it was no bother.

I also feel stopping of at the 100bhp club on wed is a cracking idea. We can use this as meeting point for all of us to gather at so we can travel the last stretch of the journey down to Catollica togeather and arrive on mas as UKMOC.

[Devans]

First post i'd just like to say i'd love to come to WDW. It's something i'd love to do!

[Pomp1]

Welcome Devans. Have you read the thread to see the ins and outs? Lots of different options here..

[Altaian]

Each 'bungalow' in the village has a Kitchenette. with of course running water.

I note a list of 'obligatory' extras

Obligatory extras to be paid on site:
Forfait for use of electricity, water and gas, € 20,00 per person per week from 3 yrs. upwards
Subscription Club € 30,00 per person per week, from 3 yrs. upwards, includes use of sunshade and 2 sunloungers on the beach per unit, Mini-club, use of swimming pool.
Caution Deposit € 100,00 per unit, refundable at the end of stay after inspection of the Bungalows/Cottages by the Direction.

Optionals to be paid for on sight and requested on booking:
Single bed linen € 7,00 per kit
Kit towels (cloth bath and cloth ace) € 7,00 per person
Cot € 30,00 per week

Animals:
small pets welcome, €50,00 per end of stay cleaning to be paid for on sight. Pets not allowed in the public rooms and to be kept on a lead.

End of stay cleaning:
the client is liable for end of stay cleaning, a fine of € 35,00 will be applied if the Bungalows/Cottages is not clean upon departure.

Private parking for every Bungalow

Hmmm, well I don't mind riding to the circuit, or even the slight queue to get in, but I'm not sure I like the idea of all these extras... tbh, I'd rather have b'fast served than a kitchenette - it is a holiday after all...

Hi guys,
personally, I think the Rosy is a better option.

Its in Cattolica so evening strolls to bars and resturants are easy, last yr if we travelled anywhere at night, we all had to fit into the transit van Max hired. 13 of us in the van was interesting!
The village seems to want to charge extras for several areas I would expect to be inclusive e.g. electricity.
There is quite an atmosphere in Cattolica in the evening, which I feel adds to the event.
I noticed a few comments about clothes washing, personally I would take travel wash, but I try to travel light, those who travelled down with me last yr will remember all I took was a rucksack. any other clothes/items I felt I needed where either taken down by Max in the transit or purchased on route.

As for travelling to the event, its an easy route from Cattolica to the circuit. Plus, whilst I did que a couple of times to get in, it was no bother.

I also feel stopping of at the 100bhp club on wed is a cracking idea. We can use this as meeting point for all of us to gather at so we can travel the last stretch of the journey down to Catollica togeather and arrive on mas as UKMOC.

So I've got to agree with Signore Grumpy & move my preference to the 'Rosy'. On reflection, I do prefer the option of a stroll to a restaurant rather than working out the logistics of transport & have a few drinks.

[Saint aka ML]

At the end I like both options so no matter which one is chosen I can always ride to the beach ;)

[Pomp1]

Just got a reply from the Locanda Rosy and they're quoting us 30€ B&B pp/pn.

[Capo]

Just got a reply from the Locanda Rosy and they're quoting us 30€ B&B pp/pn.

That does it then Rosy for me and Simon

[Pomp1]

That does it then Rosy for me and Simon

New thread started Capo :)

[Capo]

For those who have not been

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7mJq8m8uMU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qQGzs-LEd4&feature=related

[Saint aka ML]

Rosy it is, 10 euro is a pint of beer there.

[Pomp1]

Rosy it is, 10 euro is a pint of beer there.

You'll find that we paid 1.5 euros for half a litre with a bit of haggling ;)

[slob]

You'll find that we paid 1.5 euros for half a litre with a bit of haggling ;)

...plus two free bottles of limocello and a van ride you'll never forget (but wish you could)

[Saint aka ML]

You'll find that we paid 1.5 euros for half a litre with a bit of haggling ;)

Even better

[The Red Devil]

I looked on google at the distance between Surrey near me and the Wed night stop And it's approx 740miles depending on which route is taken.. I take it most people are stopping halfway from the channel to there... has anyone got any suggestions? As my first trip will be this one.. And I'd like to ride in a group of some kind, to make it more interesting, and the experience of seasoned travellers would be helpful...

[Capo]

I looked on google at the distance between Surrey near me and the Wed night stop And it's approx 740miles depending on which route is taken.. I take it most people are stopping halfway from the channel to there... has anyone got any suggestions? As my first trip will be this one.. And I'd like to ride in a group of some kind, to make it more interesting, and the experience of seasoned travellers would be helpful...

Indeed you will need a stop, plenty of F1 motels £25 a night. I'm sure groups will form as time goes on.

[Pomp1]

For those who have not been

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7mJq8m8uMU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qQGzs-LEd4&feature=related

Second video at 0.53 you can see the front of Rich (louigi moto) monster with the Multi forks..:mand:

[Saint aka ML]

As mentioned on Ducatisti. I will depart Tuesday morning and cover max mileage I can so thinking about 550 to 600 miles from Calais. That will leave me small jump to villa where we can meet up. If I leave early I might be able to use country roads to get to villa over m-ways.

[Capo]

For the return journey, I'm looking at Cattolica to Mulhouse on the 25th overnight at the F1 Motel (£27 per room) Then on to Calais on the 26th.

[Capo]

As mentioned on Ducatisti. I will depart Tuesday morning and cover max mileage I can so thinking about 550 to 600 miles from Calais. That will leave me small jump to villa where we can meet up. If I leave early I might be able to use country roads to get to villa over m-ways.

To give you an idea of perspective,

Mulhouse will put you within striking distance of Gallarate, according to Google maps, it is 452 miles from Calais with a journey time of 7.5 hours using the toll motor ways.
3 fuel stops will add at least an hour to this.
Any other route will be and will take longer.

[The Red Devil]

I presume we are booking our own channel crossing..how far in advance should I book.. ?

[Capo]

I presume we are booking our own channel crossing..how far in advance should I book.. ?

Using the example above it would be a Tuesday morning departure. Depends if your up to 8-10 hrs (depending on the route) in the saddle.
Gallarate is about 4.5 hours from Mulhouse so you'd have time to do some twisties on the way.
I'm sure as time goes on, groups will form.

I'm legging it down in the van non stop to the villa in Gallarate (3 drivers) overnight Tue, arriving 11 ish Wed for some kip then to the 100HP club (which is only 10 min away) for the evening.

I suggest the F1 motel in Mulhouse

[Saint aka ML]

Mulhouse bale airport is just in front of border so that is my bet for overnight on Wednesday. Then early departure on Thursday hoping to meet up with everyone in gallarate before departure. Again depending on time you will all depart I hope it is about midday or later hehe

[westfieldandy]

I would be up for this, I try and get at least one european trip in a year, last year i did a tour through france austria, down to italy and back, some great roads, and great places to stay, but costs were high hoteling it etc. I tend to keep to 250/300 mile days keeping off tolls and motorways, this enables you to enjoy the ride and stop at places of interest. could be a great trip down to ducati weekend.

[Pomp1]

I would be up for this, I try and get at least one european trip in a year, last year i did a tour through france austria, down to italy and back, some great roads, and great places to stay, but costs were high hoteling it etc. I tend to keep to 250/300 mile days keeping off tolls and motorways, this enables you to enjoy the ride and stop at places of interest. could be a great trip down to ducati weekend.

See http://www.ukmonster.co.uk/monster/showthread.php?t=43036 for details of accommodation. Be quick or be disappointed ;)

[stopintime]

TICKETS AVAILABLE

I don't know if this is the place to post - if not - move, paste, tell me....

Ducati.com
Experience
WDW 2012
"event locations"
on the right: a link to "buy your ticket now"

See you there!

[Capo]

We await news from our president

[Grumpy]

As the club is an official recognised DOC club, we are entitled to discount on the tickets.
Rob will need final numbers to order.

[Capo]

The 50% discounted price is 40 Euros for the 4 day ticket.

What you get for your money here http://www.ducati.com/world_ducati_week/ticket_info.do

Ducati WDW tour info here http://www.ducati.com/world_ducati_week/wdw_tours.do

They have even got the night life covered http://www.ducati.com/world_ducati_week/wdw_places.do

Are we going to have a good time :banana::banana::banana:

[MrsC_772]

In theory I like the idea of the tours (especially the Land of Motors tour) but as a certifiable slowcoach, I'm somewhat apprehensive - someone (Stafford?) said that even notably quick riders like Crust and Slob found the pace on the tours last time somewhat spirited for their tastes.

Any thoughts?

Would I be better off (as a certifiable slowcoach) just bimbling off on my own (borrowing the other half's satnav and heading for Urbino, a favourite destination on previous Italian holidays).

How do we order tickets for WDW itself?

[crust]

In theory I like the idea of the tours (especially the Land of Motors tour) but as a certifiable slowcoach, I'm somewhat apprehensive - someone (Stafford?) said that even notably quick riders like Crust and Slob found the pace on the tours last time somewhat spirited for their tastes.

Any thoughts?

Would I be better off (as a certifiable slowcoach) just bimbling off on my own (borrowing the other half's satnav and heading for Urbino, a favourite destination on previous Italian holidays).

How do we order tickets for WDW itself?

I loved the pace on the tours, the friday tour was faster than the saturdays as there were more cars and Carabinieri about.

HOWEVER, that was the pace at the front, they had a guide at the front and the back and the pace at the back was dictated by the slowest rider. with lots of stops to a cold drink, chat and bit of banter.

[slob]

Yup, the guides are road safety instructors and will let you go at any pace you're happy with. I don't suppose too many folks stop the leader having to back off a bit. There were several bikes behind me and I'm no match for Mr Crust. I'd thoroughly recommend it and will go again if I get a chance. Lunch alone was worth the price of the day.

[yellowfever]

Hi all, Any update on tickets for WDW 2012 via UKMOC? Was not sure I'd be able to go, but I have now got the time off work confirmed and as I'm behind the curve on this now looking to get things sorted asap. From what I can see from the various threads (and ducati.com), tickets now on sale but in order to get them cheaper as club members we need to go via UKMOC? Good to know when/how this will happen so I can ensure I don't miss out.

Plus grateful for info on where folk are staying etc as would hope to book in same area. From what I can see some folks are staying in Hotel Ristorante 2 stelle "Locanda Rosy" B&B - Via Emilia Romagna 124, 47841 Cattolica (RN) Riviera Adriatica? Plus some will be stopping off on the way in Gallarate just north of Milan to visit the 100HP club in Varese? Not had time yet to consider routing/timings and of course will be going from Brussels, but hope to hook up with folk on arrival or maybe somewhere along the way...

Grateful for any info,

Cheers

David

[MrsC_772]

Hi David,

Yes, Max has booked the Locanda Rosy for a bunch of us for the Thursday, Friday, Saturday and I think Sunday nights. We'll be stopping in Gallarate the Wednesday night (20 June). See the accommodation thread http://www.ukmonster.co.uk/monster/showthread.php?t=43036&page=4

There has also been a vague mention of possibly meeting up in Lausanne on the Tuesday evening (19th) on the way down - I've a feeling Rally & S4RSMcK (in the van) and possibly uksurfer and Char might be heading that way.

[ladybird]

Shame I completley missed the nudge about the thread for booking tickets and despite the best efforts of slob there will be no discount for me. *sniff*

[Capo]

Shame I completley missed the nudge about the thread for booking tickets and despite the best efforts of slob there will be no discount for me. *sniff*

Have you booked your accomodation?

[ladybird]

Have you booked your accomodation?

I hope so :look: ... sorted that with Max when the accomodation thread started up

[Capo]

I hope so :look: ... sorted that with Max when the accomodation thread started up

Are you also stopping in Gallarate?

[ladybird]

Are you also stopping in Gallarate?

No idea, only booked the ferry yesterday!

Need to find my sandals though - last seen disappearing into Stu's van in France in late September ...