New EU anti tampering laws...?

[Blah blah]

As seen on another forum, it would appear that our beloved MEPs are being asked to rubber stamp some tat that could end up affecting us all...

http://www.ridersarevoters.org/

About a page down, time to dust of my MEP's email address methinks

[Saint aka ML]

Well time to stick to classic bikes, so when can one make his bike a official classic?

[popelli]

time the uk left euroland and the eu

banning bikes over 7 years old from urban areas ???????

total bloody lunacy - lets hope the € self implodes and the eu disappears before any of this nonsense even gets a mention

where do bikes fit into urban commuting and transport planning - move everybody off older bikes into cars ?????

[Saint aka ML]

Yyy they already banned vans from within m25 so banning bikes would be seen as fair deal.


TBH as much as I love to commute on my monster any 4y old scooter would be cheaper to buy and run for a year then monie.

[rac3r]

I don't understand why they are focusing on bikes as if they are the blame for everything. I mean not allowing you to change sprockets and tyre profiles!?! WTF! are they aware how many modified cars there are? there are 1000bhp+ Skyline's FFS

I would rather have something like the French 100hp limit than stopping us from pretty much doing anything!

Next thing you know we won't be allowed to lean

[He11cat]

Paddy knows his stuff ..
He has been active in MAG for years , I used to knock about with him when they where in Bedford Mag back in the early 90s and I went out with his friend.
Still have my 20 years of MAG magnacarta stuff :)

There will be demos ..
I am rejoining MAG I shouldn't hAve left.
If you care about this make your voice heard.
Join MAG trust me Paddy is a bloody proactive man!!

The trouble is many moan about it but do nothing ..
ABS ?? I've only just got used to chokes on handle bars!

Even if your not into demos and such £25 a year I think now to support MAG
helps .
Ok maybe alot won't agree with me.
But if everyone moaned and did nothing ..

Paddy is super driven and puts up a good fight and knows his stuff.
I know MAG had a blip a few years back but they really are good now.
If you don't want this then back them.

I think we should have nothing to do with the EU it's a joke ..
We have enough problems here without bailing out everyone else.
The laws they try and pass are a pathetic waste of time .. Just to line the penpushers pockets.

Also would like to see how they could enforse this tripe ..
It's not active round my area which is sad.

[Gadget]

The law makers proposals caused upset in France. So 100000 bikes hit the roads of many cities causing chaos.

http://ukfrancebikers.com/2011/06/18/france-completely-paralysed-by-almost-100000-bikers/

http://news.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf/dx/france-the-massive-motorcycle-protest-of-this-weekend.htm

http://www.righttoride.eu/?p=7383

The biggest issues over there appeared to be the prevention of filtering through traffic and the compulsory wearing of hi-vis vests.
I seem to recall a similar proposition about the age of motorbikes to be allowed into city centres in the list of changes to be enforced. There where many, all wrapped in a single package.

I think in France at least it will be safe to ride with a feeling of freedom. (Well, for a while anyway).

The problem for bikers is that most law makers don't ride bikes. And those that do, don't commute on them and can afford to change bikes regularly. They never get attached to a piece of machinery. Never do any work on them or invest any time looking after them. We need a bumper sticker type thing. "A bike is for life not just for 6 years."

[utopia]

The fascist attitude and crass stupidity of the people who draft these proposals never ceases to amaze me.
No bikes over 6 yrs old in city centres FFS...??? What difference is that going to make to urban pollution, considering the small numbers involved.
And do people not realise that banning older bikes merely means that more new ones have to be made, with all the pollution, energy and materials costs that goes with it.
Their logic is further brought into question when considered in the context of electric vehicles, which are widely supported by the misguided environment police who persist in failing to understand that such technology merely shifts the pollution to another location.
I speak as a lifelong green-minded person who feels that this type of proposal merely seeks to bolster the flawed reasoning of those who fail miserably to understand the issues, and who are simply looking for a scapegoat to justify their own smug notion that capitalist technologies will be our saviour, wheras the truth is that they are actually a significant part of the problem.
I also fully agree that proposals such as compulsory hi-viz jackets and the banning of filtering are wrong-minded strategies who's main aim is to shift blame from the bad drivers onto the innocent. The fact is that regulations such as these will simply encourage bad and thoughtless driving by the real culprits.
It does seem that the older I get, the more I seem to be forced into the position of an outlaw.

[Capo]

I will not be following these sheeeet laws

[Cutter]

Yeah it's really p*ssing me off. I am going to join MAG. The French bikers stand up for themselves and we need to do the same.

[Dukedesmo]

I will not be following these sheeeet laws

Indeed, they'll have to prize the tools out of my cold, dead hands to stop me 'tampering' with my bikes... :devil:

[He11cat]

The chap I work with is currently building a model A ford hot rod and is being put through hell... its now a year behind due to crap regulations and he has to keep finding ways round it he has been banging his head against the wall at work sneaking stuff in ... can't do this and that.

Its all mental and quashing our human rights to ride what we want to ride ..
If I wanted to ride a new bike I would buy one!!!
I don't want a new bike...

If they do it to bikes then it should apply to every type of vehicle on the road or surely once again its discrimination and infringement of our human right... bloody hell they bang on about that in Brussels all the time ...


I don't want to be a ' Dayglow Derek " ... anyway has it not been proven to be effective???
Has anyone noticed the amount of Dayglow clothing creeping into motorcycle shops now ???

This country is getting so Eurocrat now...

[He11cat]

Please excuse pictures and Contains swearing so not for kids or at work not major .. Listen to this .. If you like your KnN and sprocket changes.. And if you ride an older bike

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reXo-ygwStU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[popelli]

[QUOTE=He11cat;400747]This country is getting so Eurocrat now...[QUOTE=He11cat;400747]

its already controlled by brussells, its that most people havn't realised this yet

decisions are made in brussels - filtered down thru parliament to local councils and then down to the general public.

[gary tompkins]

Our biggest threat isn't the law makers it's bikers apathy

If we were a more organised and motivated minority the authorities would back off.. as it stands we are an easy target

[BluprintZ]

I also fully agree that proposals such as compulsory hi-viz jackets and the banning of filtering are wrong-minded strategies who's main aim is to shift blame from the bad drivers onto the innocent.

It does seem that the older I get, the more I seem to be forced into the position of an outlaw.

The day i'm forced to wear a hi-viz jacket will be the day that my 40-odd year biking carreer comes to an end, like many on here, i'm one of the old school leather jacket and para boot brigade and i've probably been something of an outlaw, since the first day i cocked me leg over a bike, back in 1970.

As for filtering, if a ban does come in, then it's likely to cause more traffic jams.
If there's say five of us in a group and we have to stay together, behind the cars in front, then we are making the jam even longer, multiply that by several other groups and...well you get the idea.
I usually overtake on the offside of the cars in the jam, so technically i'm not filtering, i'm overtaking and if i'm not crossing the white line, then i'm not breaking the law, innit?

Tossers all.

G ; )

[ladybird]

is it still tampering if an authorised dealer does it?

[louis696]

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/ Go here Find petition for reforendom for us to get out of the EU. Its the only chance To stop the EU Nazis.

[ladybird]

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/ Go here Find petition . i wasn't paying attention :) i was just linking to the anti tampering rather than leaving the EU

anti tampering get you to the right place when you search, however to distract you one chap has a petition of one for blocking internet porn several items down :)

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/5334 if you don't want to look at search results - unless there is more than one?

[Dukedesmo]

I'm a big fan of high-viz black myself ;) and won't be wearing a day-glo vest, besides now that almost everyone that has any outdoor activity wears one it's not noticeable anymore, the same as bike headlights being less noticeable as cars are using daytime running lights.

A few years ago the authorities would fine people for using their foglights in the daytime now they encourage and in fact are making compulsory the very same thing with DRLs.

Lawmakers - clueless muppets the lot of 'em...

[He11cat]

True GT .. Same with everything though .
We all sat it won't happen .. Not my problem .. Until it effects us then we moan about it.. Human nature!
There's those that take a stand and those who bury their heads in sand..

On a lighthearted note .. Ride slow to disrupt roadways on 25th .. Opps that's me every day!!! Captainess slow

[He11cat]

Blu I'm the same . Old leather black if course !
Although I do wear that silly yellow lid .. Mainly as bike is yellow.
I'm typical oldskool and proud of it.. My family where and so am I .
Have comfy practical gear not flash..

What next a light like a police blue on top of our lids so we can be seen ? Bunch of balloons tied to back so we can be seen??

Why not train drivers better and new drivers to look out for bikes?
More campaigns?? More hard hitting TV ads.. Like we used to get in the 70s!

It's a case of we don't fit in the Eurocrats little boxes so let's make them..

It's ok to moddy a car .. Increase it's power.. It's ok to fit stupid big bullbars to your 4x4 that do terrible damage.. For when the cows get moved from field to field in the city..

Cyclists who pay nothing and gave no insurance get better treatment then us!
We pay our way and have as much rights as any road goer.. Yet are treated like rubbish.

[Nickj]

[QUOTE=He11cat;400787] Bunch of balloons tied to back so we can be seenQUOTE]

I'm liking the idea of ballons, it would be colourful and attention getting.
You could also have really big ones filled with propane air mix fitted with little ignitors :D Look at me .. WOOMPHHHH :shocked:

[Dukedesmo]

I'm liking the idea of ballons, it would be colourful and attention getting.
You could also have really big ones filled with propane air mix fitted with little ignitors :D Look at me .. WOOMPHHHH :shocked:

Or some 'cruise missile' balloons, makes a good excuse when you get caught at mach1; I was trying to outrun'em officer...

http://www.ysmarko.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/Cruise%20Missile.jpg

[rac3r]

Haha that's pretty cool :chuckle:

(Might have to share that one :D)

[Phatty]

why don't they all just GTF? seriously, who is going to beneift from all this nonsense? no one, and it would cost billions to implement and enforce.

Bring on the day sof Mad Max style outlaws in their modified, unlicenced vehicles. That's what these ****heads are driving us into.

[Saint aka ML]

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/ Go here Find petition for reforendom for us to get out of the EU. Its the only chance To stop the EU Nazis.

If you do that fine except that is head in sand as you might be ok in UK but will not be able to ride outside in europe. Aftermarket parts will be scares and hugely expensive. Who wins with leaving?

[Albie]

I'm a big fan of high-viz black myself ;) and won't be wearing a day-glo vest, besides now that almost everyone that has any outdoor activity wears one it's not noticeable anymore, the same as bike headlights being less noticeable as cars are using daytime running lights.

A few years ago the authorities would fine people for using their foglights in the daytime now they encourage and in fact are making compulsory the very same thing with DRLs.

Lawmakers - clueless muppets the lot of 'em...

You are sooo correct in everything you say. Everyones just designing cars with leds that are far brighter than motorbikes lights. We was travelling down to Tun Wells the other week , Ambulance coming towards me blues and twos going and a woman saw a chance to pull out not just in front of me but the ambulance too. That was bad enough , then she didn't accelerate and did 20mph for an age.

I don't know what the answer is. We try and abide the law, some don't but the law abiders get punished or pushed into something thats rediculous.

[utopia]

Cars using headlamps during bright daylight conditions should be banned. It makes them no more visible than they already are, but makes bikers using daytime headlamps relatively invisible in the mass of illumination. Vehicles with hard-wired daytime headlamps should not be allowed to be sold in this country. I've even seen double-decker buses using headlamps in bright sunshine. How can that be anything other than completely pointless ???
Its further annoying that those car drivers who do run with daytime headlamps probably think that they are contributing to road safety. In fact they are contributing to the danger by being a distraction. Stupid, selfish fools.

[Nickj]

You are sooo correct in everything you say. Everyones just designing cars with leds that are far brighter than motorbikes lights.

And they're legal where as we are stuck with a single dim bulb :(

Oh and for them as is interested this antitampering legislation has been wobbling around brussels since it was first proposed in 1992