do I need a slave.

[bubble head]

Could anyone tell me if replacing the original slave cylinder for a larger after market one
(oberon) will make the clutch lighter on my 1000s.Any advice/help muchly appreciated.

[Stafford]

Yes, about 20% lighter are the quoted figures I believe.

[analogue_rogue]

In theory it should reduce pressure but increase lever travel.

[littlejimmy12]

made a difference on both my 996 and s4, I only did it as I commute in london and I'm changin up and down all the time

[He11cat]

Made the world of difference on my little M600 !
I'd give it a big thumbs up.

[gary tompkins]

Fitted the MPL (German made) uprated slave to my 900 - made a massive difference

[buzzbomb]

I've previously fitted MPL clutch slaves but recently fitted an Oberon on a new bike and found it compareable with the MPL in its action. The Oberon was quite abit cheaper and to my mind better quality in that it has a proper super seal (oil seal) on the shaft instead of the grove machined into the face of the slave were an O-ring is normally fitted plus its British made. Whilst on the subject of Oberon they make a really good replacement set of foot pegs which again are excellent quality and theres different lengths, finish's and grip surfaces all in all a good mod.

[Pomp1]

Everyone needs a slave..

[Char]

Everyone needs a slave..

& two is always better than one

I have an EVR - yes it makes a difference

[analogue_rogue]

i was looking.. they seem to be 95 quid.. ouch thatss a lot of money for a lighter clutch.....

[Starter Sprag]

If your on a budget, remove two of the springs from the posts, 33% lighter clutch for free

[He11cat]

Id have paid anything for a lighter clutch after I got stuck in traffic and thought my hand was going to fall off... its worth its weight in gold !!

Slaves .. buggers they are mine keep escaping... Ones got as far as Scotland ... just wait until I get him sent back!!!... bigger padlock!

[analogue_rogue]

removing the springs increases chance of slip tho.......

[He11cat]

Save up and get a slave .. I did and honestly it's made great difference!
Worth the money..

[Starter Sprag]

I've done 15,000 miles on four springs, no slip, just kept everything clean

[analogue_rogue]

I'm just not convinced my clutch is I. A good.enough condition to.get away with it.....

[Kerry]

Had one fitted on Saturday and its ace. I have sufferd so long its worth the money to enjoy my bike again.

[bubble head]

Thanks for all of your help/advice it looks like I am going to be busy the W.E.playing with a slave.
PS hope this goes in the right place riding a bike is a lot easier than working this computer.

[steeevvvooo]

I bought a Ducati Performance one from evil bay, but haven't fitted it yet.

Nice bit of bling as well which is always a bonus! :thumbsup:

[gary tompkins]

& two is always better than one

I have an EVR - yes it makes a difference

I also keep a spare in the garage - just incase it's needed

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4133/4846872501_2e4a7d0621_z.jpg

[Dukedesmo]

If your on a budget, remove two of the springs from the posts, 33% lighter clutch for free

I fitted an Evoluzione slave cylinder to my 916. Evo claim a 30% reduction in pull, in reality it was noticeable but not significant, then to 'bling' up the clutch I fitted some stainless steel springs.

The SS springs are heavier than the originals so the clutch pull got heavier and was hardly any lighter than original so I then removed 2 springs.

Now the clutch pull on my bike is so soft a baby could pull it with 2 fingers and I have never had any clutch slip in the 7-8 years that it's been that way (other than when I had an oil leak into the basket) and the bike puts out 118 rwhp and 71lb/ft torque which is quite a bit more than an air-cooled M900.

The only thing that is significantly different that may help prevent any potential slip problems is that I have the 'SPS' sintered clutch plates which not only grip better but are thinner so have an extra friction plate in the pack (8 instead of 7) over the standard setup and this year I fitted another extra friction plate by swapping some 2mm plain plates with 1.5mm plates - so 9 friction plates in the pack, but it never slipped with 8 and I only fitted the extra because I had it and I could and in the hope that more plates = less wear per plate as the load is shared.

[analogue_rogue]

Mines a wet clutch tho....

[Dukedesmo]

Mines a wet clutch tho....

Aah yes, not sure what you can do with that but aren't the wet ones softer than the dry ones anyway... :D

[analogue_rogue]

I have no idea lol

[gary tompkins]

Aah yes, not sure what you can do with that but aren't the wet ones softer than the dry ones anyway... :D

Not on early 600 or 750 with internal slave - clutch on those is a real killer

[analogue_rogue]

mines got the external one.....

[gary tompkins]

Yes I know it has

[He11cat]

How has an oberon effected a dry clutch ... ie has it made it lighter ???
I had to change the slave on my wet clutch as my hands are hurting with RSI ..

Id like a dry clutch one day as like the clanky noise but worried il not be able to handle it :(

[analogue_rogue]

Yes I know it has ?? ok?!?! i was only saying.


does that meant that mine is stiffer or lighter than a dry clutch?

[He11cat]

I'm going to spank grumpy peoples asses shortly !!
:)
@ Kerry glad it's helped did for me!

[He11cat]

Wet clutches are easier then dry clutches ..
That clutches I'm talking about :) before anymore smut comes out ...

[analogue_rogue]

Spank spank spank. Hehehehe :-)

[Capo]

Comparisons can be made here as you can see the master cylinder also affects the clutch pull

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm143/Tarugo996/a1da0bf1.jpg

[Pomp1]

If your on a budget, remove two of the springs from the posts, 33% lighter clutch for free
But you'll need to source some SS900 springs, so not completely free..

[Starter Sprag]

No, you don't need SS springs in fact, if you want to upgrade your springs don't get SS ones, there are better ones available out there

[Pomp1]

No, you don't need SS springs in fact, if you want to upgrade your springs don't get SS ones, there are better ones available out there

Still, not free is it? ;) just out of curiosity, which are the "better ones"?

[gary tompkins]

?? ok?!?! i was only saying.


does that meant that mine is stiffer or lighter than a dry clutch?

IMO the later wet clutch set up on 600's is slightly lighter than 900 dry clutches of the same era. However there's not much difference and the 600 is still too heavy in traffic. Ducati didn't really crack the problem until the advent of the S2R800, which had a really nice light lever pull. If you manage to get to Arrow Mill in May compare a few different bikes, and you'll be surprised at the variation - especially on those with uprated slaves.

I'm aiming to get some lighter stainless springs made by a company near Birmingham later this year. The combination of that and the MPL slave on the 900 should give me a featherlight clutch, and zero slippage under load. I busted my left wrist badly about 15 years ago, so it's always been a bit weak since and really cripples me with a heavy clutch.

[analogue_rogue]

IMO the later wet clutch set up on 600's is slightly lighter than 900 dry clutches of the same era. However there's not much difference and the 600 is still too heavy in traffic. Ducati didn't really crack the problem until the advent of the S2R800, which had a really nice light lever pull. If you manage to get to Arrow Mill in May compare a few different bikes, and you'll be surprised at the variation - especially on those with uprated slaves.

I'm aiming to get some lighter stainless springs made by a company near Birmingham later this year. The combination of that and the MPL slave on the 900 should give me a featherlight clutch, and zero slippage under load. I busted my left wrist badly about 15 years ago, so it's always been a bit weak since and really cripples me with a heavy clutch.

im going to arrow mill if you fancy checking my clutch out for me?

[He11cat]

I would like to try a dry clutch for feel at some point with a aftermarket slave....

My hands are getting so so sore..
I will need a slave to open my marmite for me soon !!!

[Dukedesmo]

I'm aiming to get some lighter stainless springs made by a company near Birmingham later this year. The combination of that and the MPL slave on the 900 should give me a featherlight clutch.

Or get 4 heavier springs & MPL slave, works for me. :thumbsup:

[gary tompkins]

im going to arrow mill if you fancy checking my clutch out for me?

No problem - more than happy to take a look

Or get 4 heavier springs & MPL slave, works for me. :thumbsup:

True - but I've been quoted very little £££ on a set of lightweight springs

[Pomp1]

I would like to try a dry clutch for feel at some point with a aftermarket slave....


Did offer..you turned down:spin:

[cairojay]

Just bought gold oberon levers and a gold oberon slave cylinder, definitely cleaner gear changes and lighter. Also looks very bling! Just don't tell my bank manager!

[Dukedesmo]

I would like to try a dry clutch for feel at some point with a aftermarket slave....


So you want to try a dry clutch for a feel?

Sounds like a fair deal to me... ;)