New parts...

[Mr.Number]

Im in the process of buying some new kit for the S2R, full arrow carbon race system, did chain, renthal quick change carrier with front and rear sprockets, 2 new tyres and new belts for the up and coming service and mot.

Where would you guys go for your best price on the job lot ?

[Pomp1]

I doubt you'll find someone that has all that in stock, at the most competitive price, and is a Ducati specialist. I suspect you'll be able to get chain, sprockets and tires at your local dealer, get them to give you a quote on the fitting and slap on an MOT. Belts need to be changed by someone who knows what they're doing, as you need correct torquing and tension, so anyone that says "never done it but I'll give it a go" walk away from at pace. Full race system will need setting up with some sort of PCIII or similar I suspect, so again specialist is the magic word.May I ask why you're going for a quickchange? sometimes are even heavier than OEM/single parts..

[He11cat]

Pomp is right belts by someone who knows..
Main routine stuff can be done by local shop.. or yourself if you are good like that.
Most of that can be done by your local specialist.

I use an italian independent for garage work I have to travel to him but I wouldn't go to any other.He will service my bike as well. When I can get the demon up there!

There are some great independents out there.. or main dealers of course.
MOst independents have trained or worked at a dealership/ Ducati, then gone it alone and I find they have a real diversity and passion which I like :)
Help from dear friends as well which has been fantastic.

Mot from my local tester as he's non nonsense and realistic and honest.
He has looked after my Mots for years and my other bikes used to go to him since I was 18 so I stick with him.He tells it like it is.

My big dealership (non Ducati ) is good , mechanics are good and they looked after my Yam when I had him really well.
However I found out they wont touch Dukes!!! Ring and ask.
It was after I got home and mine broke down I found this out and then I had to do my homework and found a name of an independent who came up again and again with a good rep.
Even for a simple job local dealer won't touch my old M600
Some now don't like touching bikes over ten years old round here :(

The other thing I found out was I had some tires fitted by a local garage .. have been going for years and done other monsters so I thought id give it a whirl as everyone else wanted to put Bridgestones on my bike .. im sick of Bridgestones.
They lost my wheel spacer between the swing arm and the wheel... and it has also got to be put in the correct way!!
My bike locked up on a duel carriage way scared me to death.. they had put in some random washer thing instead of a conical spacer which was gone.. chewed into my swing arm and my caliper was damaged.
So again chance you take I won't be again!

Good dealer or good local independent..
They will have belts and bits, other stuff like Arrows and sprockets you can shop about for and get the Ducati specialist to fit them most will do that, even tires there are some good deals to be had if you shop about.
But again your local Italian specialist would probably give you a good price.

Reputation reputation and more reputation!!

The same mechanics / dealers names come up on here all the time I can't stress enough if lots of people say they are good , then they are good.
Ok sometimes people grumble about a place but its rare and we all have off days us and mechanics alike nobody is perfect.
If there was lots on grumbles I would avoid a place .. do some homework

Reputation is everything so go with it.
I am happy to travel to a good Italian specialist.
If you have one local thats ok and one thats coming up with fab comments about them time and time again but they are 30 miles away.. I would go that extra 30 miles to use them sounds daft but it often pays.

Also if they make me feel comfortable then I will use again and again.
I am a bit of a mechanical twit... but I am really happy when someone takes the time to explain stuff to me or let me watch.
Rather then its fixed , pay up and here is your keys se ya bye Mrs.

Hope someone can point you in the right direction. :)

[steeevvvooo]

Im in the process of buying some new kit for the S2R, full arrow carbon race system, did chain, renthal quick change carrier with front and rear sprockets, 2 new tyres and new belts for the up and coming service and mot.

Where would you guys go for your best price on the job lot ?

My advice would be...

chain, sprockets, tyres... buy them from ebay (may have to get quick change items from a specialist though) and have them delivered to a local friendly backstreet garage. Any mechanic can change them, and most will do stuff like that for cash in hand (you'll have the receipts for parts for that all important history folder)

Arrows can probably be added to the above as even I have changed exhausts, again you may get lucky on ebay but I guess you'll need to go to a supplier (there are Titanium Arrows or carbon Mivvs on Italian ebay which might be of interest?)

Belts/maybe a power commander/setup for MOT... definitely a Ducati specialist. Not necessarily a dealer but maybe a local independent. I'm sure there will be some recommendations on here somewhere. Rosso Corse down this way have got mine running sweet without a power commander, and I have a de-cat pipe and no baffles. A power commander is ideal, but not ALWAYS necessary...

good luck! :D

[Mr.Number]

He11cat , know what you mean. Im handy, but just havnt got the tools at the moment. Im going to watch how its done this time. Well Tom from motorcycle race parts has come back with a really good quote for the arrow system, carrier and sprockets. The quote all in with discount is less than the total for the arrow system alone on all websites iv seen, so hes in pole at the moment on price. Arrow steering damper no longer available for the S2R :-(

Whos using michelins at the moment by the way ? Looks like a set of bridgestones 023's for me.

[steeevvvooo]

Whos using michelins at the moment by the way .

me me me!! Pilot road 2, very impressed so far, even on the track (until someone spotted a nail in the rear!! oops)

Supposed to have a very good life span as well as they are triple compound (I think). :thumbsup:

[Pomp1]

He11cat , know what you mean. Im handy, but just havnt got the tools at the moment. Im going to watch how its done this time. Well Tom from motorcycle race parts has come back with a really good quote for the arrow system, carrier and sprockets. The quote all in with discount is less than the total for the arrow system alone on all websites iv seen, so hes in pole at the moment on price. Arrow steering damper no longer available for the S2R :-(

Whos using michelins at the moment by the way ? Looks like a set of bridgestones 023's for me.

Belts are an easy job for a decently DIY minded person(have a search, some threads have a video and the issue has been covered few times), and you only need few basics tools and a torque wrench (a worthwhile investment for any Vtwin owner)

[Funkatronic]

if you know exactly what you want, best bet is to ring around annd get it delivered direct to a workshop you trust

arrows kit, sprox (renthal or afam are good) and chain (Tsubaki x ring) -B&C express

tyres, ring around i have found FWR in london to be cheap . but i know pegboy recently found a cheaper supplier of this tyre
often therese not much in it once you add in postage

I have been using Michelin Pilot Power 2CT which have been very good, not the longest wearing tyre but good on the road plenty of grip at the edges for track riding
pilot roads are well regarded and harder wearing if you only do road riding not used myself though

belts- and ducati specific spares- motorrapido or JHP/coventry or the workshop if its a duc specialist

bear in mind that with open pipes (and open airbox especially) fuelling might be a problem and with the s2r1000 the only fix is a Ducati Performance ECU due to the lambda sensor (although as is evidenced by steeves post above, a good workshop may get you through this). Power commander wont be much use without the DP Ecu. search for lambda sensor on here theres loads of info as its a reccuring issue

also note the carbon arrows are very very loud (set car alarms off, annoy neighbours, go deaf loud,:-) ) baffles are not available for the CF cans only titanium

this rules out using them on most uk track days

[Mr.Number]

Still undecided funk on the tit or carby. I would imagine you could get baffles made tho for the carbys. There is also someone on here who has had the arrow kit fitted without going down the dp ecu route.

[Capo]

BSD can sort out any ECU issues

[Funkatronic]

dont know about baffles in the carbons, have seen some people in the US retrofitting the parts from the Titanium baffles but arrow wont sell them to us in here europe as

A: the claim the carbon will burn with baffles in (not sure i believe this though as their multistrada carbon exhausts have baffles)
B: the end caps that hold the baffles are "E" marked and they wont send homoglated marked parts for use on non homoglated exhausts!! (suppose one could lie but i have already played my cards with them!)

might be poss for a 3rd party to make some baffles to fit but the end caps would need to be modded somehow to stop the baffles falling out

really interested if someone can do this otherwise im gonna be selling my Carbon arrows and buying some Titanium ones or something else with removeable baffles for exactly this reason

[Mr.Number]

...so I take it funk that youv had a problem of some sort with having the carbon arrows and no baffles ? Stopped by police ? M.o.t problem ?.........

[Mr.Number]

Go on capo, BSD ?

[Capo]

http://bsd.uk.com/bsd_tuning.html

Take a look at what they can do with the std 5.9 ECU

Sheeeet hot guys

[Mr.Number]

BSD........interesting, seems they are confident of sorting 'any' fuel problems. Im not really interested in pissing about with power commanders and new ecu's etc, and hopefully can get the arrow system fitted with just a tweak of the stock ecu. Im sure its do-able.

[steeevvvooo]

Just spoke to Mark at BSD… think I might take the S2R to see him in the spring! :thumbsup:

[Mr.Number]

Steevo, did you discuss costs at all ?

[Funkatronic]

no actually, i love the look and sound of the carbon arrows but they are bastard loud

London plod dont care but have had a few essex and surrey plod tut and wave their fingers at me (but never been pulled for the noise though)

primarily I want to be able to do track days that have 95 db (and 105DB!!) limits without having to swap my entire exhaust out

also want the option to tone it down on occaison, somtimes i have to get up early and dont want to **** my neighbours off, and other times just dont want to be deaf at the end of a long ride

you might be ok with the fuelling without any other adjustments, Ray at rosso corse (who did steves bike) seems to think its fiddly but possible. but after reading the posts here and on other monster forums, others have had lots of difficulty

i only mentioned it as spending £1K+ on pipes only to discover you need to spend another chunk on an ecu is not a pleasant experience

[Mr.Number]

Well i may have to settle for the titanium system then as the S2R will see a track at some point so will need the baffles. Im not sold on this idea of a dp ecu and you would imagine that outfits like BDS with BSB experience would crack it.

[Funkatronic]

im have no doubt bsd and other outfits can swicth off the lambda sansor on the ECU and remap the fuelling,
intertested to see how much they charge

[Mr.Number]

Steeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevo's been on the blower to them and quoted 320 plus twat, but not sure exactly what he asked for.

[steeevvvooo]

yep, that was for re-programming of the original chip, separate for each cylinder (rather than probe up the exhaust which is apparently not as good). Think it included the new map, plus original map, on a USB. 3-4 hours in total?

If it doesn't have lambdas, they have to weld some lambda probe onto the exhaust to compensate, which would be another £17 for lambdas and 1-1.5hr labour.

To be honest, I didn't understand most of it but they sounded like they really knew what was what and would do a thorough job. Considering the cost of a power commander and DP ECU I though that was pretty cheap as an alternative?! :dunce:

[Funkatronic]

my guess is that would be a custom map on a dyno for your engine and exhaust which would be great
not sure why you would add a lambda tho? its my understanding that normally its best to negate them

a DP ECU can be had for £295 + a bit of work to install and reset the TPS but this wont be a custom map

[pegboy]

tyres, ring around i have found FWR in london to be cheap . but i know pegboy recently found a cheaper supplier of this tyre
often therese not much in it once you add in postage


I use this company close to me in North London. As Funkatronic says it's not alot in it, i think £20 saving tops for a pair, i get my MOT done there also and tyres as they are great guys and great prices.

I noticed your not in london and not sure if they post and paying postage etc probably not worth it in the end, anyway here is the website

http://www.burwin.co.uk

[Capo]

There is no such thing as a universal DP ecu, each is specific to a bike and the inlet/exhaust system in some cases camshafts as well. The difference is not confined to the fuel map, the ignition may also vary.

There is only one way to set up a bike and that is on the dyno with the ability to adust the ecu, BSD can do this.

Lambda probes are required so that differing requirements for each cylinder can be measured and the ecu adjusted.

[Funkatronic]

ah that makes sense, the extra lambdas are part of the measurement for the mapping process
thanks capo

so about £400 all in for a completely custom map on a dyno from BSD
good to know

[steeevvvooo]

thanks Capo, makes more sense now. So even with the DP ECU, it's not simply a case of plug-and-play. Dyno time will still be needed to set it up properly. This makes the BSD service even more attractive!!

As for tyres, search for "roundandblack", a professional seller on ebay. I got some Diablo Strada for the Diversion for less than £155 delivered to my friendly garage. Think I paid £20-30 cash to have them fitted. :thumbsup: