Advice on bike security please!

[bigredduke]

We have extended our garage as part of an extension to the house. Because we are putting down a new concrete floor slab it is an ideal opportunity to fit a substantial ground anchor at the same time. I initially thought I would fit two, one for each bike, but would it be better to just fit one and use a longer chain through both bikes? Any advice, experience or recommendations with these things? The garage will also be alarmed.

[popelli]

are these being cast into the concrete or just dyna bolted down?

and if you sell your house the new purchasers may not share your enthusiasn for locking things down and how easy is it to remove these

had this problem when I built a 5m x 5m steel cage into the corner of a basement to secure bikes in, new purchasers wanted it removed before they would buy the house

[bigredduke]

The idea is to concrete them in flush with the surface so that there is nothing to trip over or get in the way of anything in the future.

Perhaps something like this? http://www.yanchor.com/The%20Y%20anchor.html

[Char]

ones that you pull up out of floor are good - see last item

http://www.elitesecuritysupplies.com/ground_anchors.htm

[Scotty]

general idea is to use as short a length of chain as possible to make it more awkward to get cutting tools etc into position to use, also makes it harder to lock up yourself like, so the corner's of the garage are good places to have the ground anchor situated, I don't know what else your putting in there but if you suddenly change your mind then an anchor in the other corner might be useful ~:?

[Scotty]

I also remember a 'how do they do that' program on tele

where they were making safes for banks etc

and the concrete they used (although top secret in composition) has a bucket load of swarf in it presumably makes it more resistant to drilling or something ~:?

[chris yeatman]

i have one of these in concrete.

http://www.motrax.co.uk/index.php?mod=product&id_prd=261

[BigOz]

Hi,

Also think defence in depth make it hard to get in the garage too, I've seen a few garages broken in to by attacking the corners and bending them out or by forcing the top runners out of the rail and entering over the door.

A simple plank or piece of box section coach bolted to the door makes the corners difficult to deform.

Other than that try to get the anchored chain through the frame or another dificult to remove part rather than through the wheels.

Andy

[gary tompkins]

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m18-claymore.htm

[Dookbob]

I,m not suggesting that you dont take precautions, but if the ground anchor is impregnable, the scum bag will just cut the chain.

[johnboy44]

I was in the same position 15 years ago, i had one cast into the slab at build time but after the purchase of more bikes I wished I had put 3 or 4 in

[Char]

Guard dog?

http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd401/Char66/Ducati-Dog.jpg

[Gordon H]

The weakest point of any brick built garage is the door - if they can't get past that they can't get anything!!

[Mr.Number]

Bigred, I have a Concave Built in Ground Anchor which is 'Sold Secure' and recognised by insurance companies. Its brand new and I paid around £60 delivered. I cant use it as the ground where I wanted to plant it isnt suitable to be concreted, so its now sitting in my spare room doing nothing. Its an impressive solid product and when installed, fits flush with the ground, so just looks like youv got 2 holes in the ground where you feed your chain through.
If your interested let me know.

[utopia]

Woooooo......paint job, char !!!
Very, very.
Who's is that then ?

[gary tompkins]

The weakest point of any brick built garage is the door - if they can't get past that they can't get anything!!


Not strictly true Gordon - If the f@ckers want it badly enough they'll take it

"A 48-year-old from Middlesex thought he’d done everything possible to secure his £9500 MV Agusta F4 when he locked it in his garage, parked his car between it and the door, chained it to the wall and double-padlocked his garage door. But he hadn’t counted on thieves dismantling the wall from the outside and stealing both the bike and the breeze-block it was secured to."

Quoted from this article...

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/archive/80705/81876/81918/81948/

[slipperyweeguy]

From experience, put in as many anchors - of any type - as possible, just for your own convenience in the future.
Also from experience, garage doors of the up'n'over type are easy to open, even without damaging them. The advice to use extra door security is good. Once any thieves are actually in your garage, they have time and cover to work, and they will win if they are serious. The less gifted ones look at all the locks and go to steal something easier...
From experience, some popular highly-rated security products are poor value, and even a £15 angle grinder or £50 set of bolt croppers can cut some chains in less than 20 seconds. Most of the cops I sold to never spent more than £60 on a lock and chain because after that it's diminishing returns.

[utopia]

Alarmed is good.
Two chains are better (take longer to cut) than one.
Extra locks can only help.....even cheap padlocks used as disc locks make it take much longer to shift the bike.
Chaining two bikes together means both can be nicked for the cutting of just one chain.
Fit steel grills to the inside of any windows.
Don't forget the roof....it wouldn't be the first time they've got in that way. A rambler rose trailing all over makes things much harder (good for boundary fences too).... I recommend one called Adelaide d'Orleans....David Austin roses.
Arrange it so you can leave all electrical power (apart from the alarm) switched off from inside the house.
Be quiet and unobtrusive with the bike when you're at home so as to be less conspicuous.....I rarely leave mine parked out front for more than a few minutes.
Park the car tight up against the garage door......its best to have a cheap car.
Do you like dogs...?

[Mr Cake]

We have extended our garage as part of an extension to the house. Because we are putting down a new concrete floor slab it is an ideal opportunity to fit a substantial ground anchor at the same time. I initially thought I would fit two, one for each bike, but would it be better to just fit one and use a longer chain through both bikes? Any advice, experience or recommendations with these things? The garage will also be alarmed.

Its a bit drastic but I like to rip the wheels out of ours. Sometimes just the back one if I'm feeling lazy. No need to go mad is there :thumbsup:

Thieves are cowards so make it difficult for them. Slow their job down because they won't want to be hanging about.

Dave

[Capo]

When we went to WDW, the accommodation provided security for our bikes

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm143/Tarugo996/311de3b0.jpg

[Mr Cake]

Hey, maybe Paul could get them lads in and guard his new garage!

[Char]

Nice doggy.. I always carry one of these - they're very good

http://www.webbikeworld.com/r2/motorcycle-lock/xena-disc-lock-alarm/

[buzzbomb]

When we went to WDW, the accommodation provided security for our bikes

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm143/Tarugo996/311de3b0.jpg

Oh Stewart...Memories...Memories...:gromit::gromit:

[utopia]

Nice doggy.. I always carry one of these - they're very good

http://www.webbikeworld.com/r2/motorcycle-lock/xena-disc-lock-alarm/

I use a Xena alarmed disc lock too. (model XMS10).
In thoery they're excellent.....An alarm which wont flatten your battery and a disc lock which you can't forget to remove before riding off (as long as the alarm works).
However, I've found that the batteries don't seem to last very long and I ended up buying loads of new batteries to keep it working, which rather offends my wallet.
Would be better if you could get rechargeables for it, but I don't know if this is possible.
Still works as a normal disc lock though.

[JerryT]

I use a Torc 20mm Ground Anchor with a 19mm chain and Squire padlock: all are Sold Secure and can be obtained from http://www.elitesecuritysupplies.com/, as Char mentioned earlier... I got the fiting kit for an existing concrete floor using resin capsules. I was a bit sceptical initially, but I have to say the instructions were good and it's solid as anything. I'm sure there will be something for installing in new concrete. Worth a look anyway. We have two bikes as well. Each has its own anchor and chain. I would fit two ground anchors as the chain is so big yuo are unlikely to fit two through the one anchor and a longer chain is less secure if only one bike is using it. Also could make access to the bikes awkward (which may or may not be a good thing...) .

[steeevvvooo]

check these out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpf35C7wu6Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozppzywsLsk

I have the series III, and wouldn't use anything else (except series IV) after watching these. No offense to anyone here if you have one of the products shown up for being cr@p, but I wouldn't throw away £100+ on some of these supposedly decent chains to have them cut in no time by a set of croppers!! :eek:

The blokes on the phone at almax are very helpful and knowledgeable which is always nice.

2 x series III around a big tree (2 or 3 stories high) has done me so far touch wood...

[PaulV]

Get some sort of camera/cctv, even if it is a fake one, I'm sure any potential burglariser won't want his/her mug filmed...

[utopia]

In addition to chaining the bike to some sort of anchor, I think its worth using a second chain and lock to immobilise the bike.
I pass a chain down the gap between the swingarm pivot tube and its lateral brace section, then through the rear wheel and back up to meet the padlock which ends up hanging somewhere near the right hand footrest. The whole thing is well off the ground and fairly hard to get at, both of which I imagine would make bolt cropper attack a lot more arkward. I guess the usual 'through the wheel and up around the seat' works in a similar way, but is maybe easier to get at.
At least then the scum have to carry the thing to their van (with or without the swingarm still attached), which isn't easy from my back garden, and looks decidedly dodgy in a public area.