New Monster!

[Nonnie]

Amazingly it's on the Ducati website.

It looks gorgeous. Really gorgeous.

Have fun!

I want one. Actually 2.

http://www.ducati.com/en/bikes/my2008/FamilyPage.jhtml?family=Monster

[JerryXt]

not for me I'm afraid. That would lower the tone in my garage.

[Headhunter]

I like the way they've made certain bits such as the mirrors, indicators, a decent tea tray (or none for blokes with jewish blood), which Monster owners tend to upgrade as standard.

Not too sure about the cans though, but they would have to be changed immediately in any event.

Any idea when it will be in the shops to take a closer gander?

[Scotty]

umm im not sure

almost like the air intake in the tank if thats what it is

and i do like the over engine exhaust for extra ground clearance

[SazzaG]

Not for me. I think they've changed the styling too much.

Ba humbug.

[Gilps]

At first glance that looks very nice. Decent brakes as standard at last. I like the back end very much. It's still recongisable as a Monster but also very up-to-date. They seem to have found some extra BHP too for that extra 1cc.
I think that is going to seel very well, especially if they get the price around the £5k mark.

[sadbiker]

Does look interesting and different but still a monster, maybe what ducati needs to have a better chance on taking on the 600 cc market.

[sadbiker]

At first glance that looks very nice. Decent brakes as standard at last. I like the back end very much. It's still recongisable as a Monster but also very up-to-date. They seem to have found some extra BHP too for that extra 1cc.
I think that is going to seel very well, especially if they get the price around the £5k mark.

Yep totally agree.

[fatbloke]

I love it
to me they have kept the spirit of the monster and updated it.

it looks the dogs danglys

[NattyBoy]

I like the way they've made certain bits such as the mirrors, indicators, a decent tea tray (or none for those with jewish blood), which Monster owners tend to upgrade as standard.

Not too sure about the cans though, but they would have to be changed immediately in any event.

Any idea when it will be in the shops to take a closer gander?

Ahh sir - youll be needing the £1 million DP titanium high level megaphones - lol...

Jurys out for me..I hope I like it in the flesh...

Will probably look better with a ponder and an armful of peronis eh GT ??!!

[NattyBoy]

I love it
to me they have kept the spirit of the monster and updated it.

it looks the dogs danglys

Better than one of those balti farters anyway....:chuckle:

[benson]

I think it's pretty cute - but I would - I'm fickle and it's a Ducati!!!

[fatbloke]

Better than one of those balti farters anyway....:chuckle:
am i bovered
do i look bovered
is this the face of a bovered man

[Headhunter]

Ahh sir - youll be needing the £1 million DP titanium high level megaphones - lol...

That'll be the ones, my good man. Mind you they would have to come with Kylie M for that sort of price.

Wouldn't mind checking out the new 848 as well. Time to start dreaming again. Kylie too.

[benson]

Ahhh = saw the 848 is MCN last week - mucho loveliness!!!!

[Thumper]

balti farters :biggrin:

I really like that, now if the 1100 looks like that I'll be avin one. I was in Ducati Ayesbury today pestering for info and release dates but alas they know nothing yet. They've got my number though as the head honcho is in Milan right now waiting by the Ducati stand :)

[Headhunter]

Time to sell body parts again.

I think the 696 looks very sexy in places, but will have to wait until I see it in the flesh before wanting to PX.

[Nonnie]

Though the Monster is a much loved design, things have to evolve eventually and it is a natural progression from the familiar looks. I would like to see it in person but from the piccies on the web thus far it does look rather tasty. I like the idea of clip on tank panels. Change your wardrobe and your bike at the same time to suit. Tres chic!

[Albie]

I really like it.To be honest the first glimpse I had doubts but then its got all the same mods like on mine. I like the holes in tank as they remind me of PUGI's road racing one. Its just a shame its entry level for now as I would need at least 900 for 99% two up. Be good if they bring out a 1200 though.

Well done Ducati its great 10/10

[neilbaldry]

i really like it. the frame is amazing! i like the headlight, the mirrors, the swingarm, the wheels. i just dont really like the exhausts.......

[scrumpster]

Can you lot all stop looking at it, the page is taking forever to load and I just can't pedal any faster. In fact the whole world must be looking but I did get a glimpse of the back end and that looked very tasty. Ah I'm there and at first glance, I like and if they do a bigger one it may be worth an upgrade in two and a half years time, by which time any niggles will hopefully have been ironed out!!!

They have kept it very much a monster, funny seeing the shock on an angle and I love the tank and the back end but I will have no where to put my spex!!

Well done Ducati, this monster owner likes it :biggrin: I guess it will be at the NEC?

[Lowsider]

Exhausts are almost MotoGuzzi Griso in size!!!!

Like it though..... bit concerned they have lowered the seat height..... being 6ft myself.

[Albie]

I love the tank and the back end but I will have no where to put my spex!!

Well done Ducati, this monster owner likes it :biggrin: I guess it will be at the NEC?


Most people put specs over their eyes hanging from their ears. LOL

[scrumpster]

Most people put specs over their eyes hanging from their ears. LOL

Ha ha very funny!!! Actually I have lost sunglasses leaving them on the tea tray so it will save a bit on that!!!

[Darry]

Not sure about this! Looks great from the rear, but from the side, looks like someone smashed it in the face!!

Site's bloody slow too!

Hmmm...

Darry.

[SazzaG]

Have to agree with you Darry. It definitely looks better from the back.

I've no problem with them lowering the seat height...

[eonan]

Man what a relief! I was worried that it was going to completely blow me away...that I'd really want one. Fortunately for Ducati a lot of people do/will like it. Personally I think it looks hideous.

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g315/eonan/index.png

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g315/eonan/index1.png

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g315/eonan/index4.jpg

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g315/eonan/index3.jpg

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g315/eonan/index2.jpg

[Darry]

Have to agree with you Darry. It definitely looks better from the back.

I've no problem with them lowering the seat height...

We seem to agree on a lot of things... go treat yourself to a CALippo! :mand:

[eonan]

With a few alterations though?

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g315/eonan/1.jpg

[Darry]

With a few alterations though?

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g315/eonan/1.jpg


Now that looks better!


Darry.

[bigredduke]

I do like it, but the exhausts remind me of cow bells. I assume they are so fat to accommodate catalytic converters?

[barbican]

[QUOTE=eonan;230382]Man what a relief! I was worried that it was going to completely blow me away...that I'd really want one. Fortunately for Ducati a lot of people do/will like it. Personally I think it looks hideous.

QUOTE]

I Agree (at least from the piccies) and I hope I am in a small minority

When I first saw the new shaped BMW's I thought they were horrid - BMW said it will grow on me - It didn't

The lines from tank to seat don't flow like the old bike, it's lost some elegance and simplicity of line - now looks brash (cheap?) especialy the the "hybrid" frame and cans. Hopefully it looks better in the flesh and more importantly rides really well and trashes the competition cos it's so important for Ducati that this sells well.

I'm now waiting to see the S4R(s) replacement and dreading it'll be along the same lines.

Perhaps I'm just a grumpy old git that doesn't like change mutter mutter mutter

[JerryXt]

Barbican, you've got enough toys already :D

Seriously, I think if ducati continue along these lines, I'll keep my toys and when they wear out, I'll buy a couple of MVs to replace them.

[CK & AK]

Look very very similar to the new Moto Morini which came out at the end of last year (shades of copyright somewhere??)
Lots of plus's, some minus's.

80bhp is quite a fair bit, coupled with the decrease in weight from any other monster produced, will be no doubt a bike to ride at the sharp end when given its head. Better ground clearance than existing models too (so it looks, with the zaust system being moved)
Power to weight, its got more buzz to it than the S4RS!

C:)

[JerryXt]

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g315/eonan/index.png

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc90/jerryxt/quasi.jpg

I knew it reminded me of something.

[barbican]

Barbican, you've got enough toys already :D

Seriously, I think if ducati continue along these lines, I'll keep my toys and when they wear out, I'll buy a couple of MVs to replace them.


I like toys - MV hmmmm

[bigredduke]

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g315/eonan/index.png

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc90/jerryxt/quasi.jpg

I knew it reminded me of something.

Jerry! I've told you time & time again, DO NOT POST PHOTO'S OF YOURSELF ON THE WEB!!!

[David Matthews]

I presume it will replace the 695 rather than be sold alongside it. I far prefer the look of the 695, the black tank/red frame option is stunning.

The SR range will continue much the same then?

[Dave G]

The hybrid frame is a thing only its designer could love,hopefully he'll be fired tomorrow and next years version will have a bolt on trellis subframe.
Dont like the footpeg hangers either,the sort of thing that Honda do.:thumbsdown:

I could live with the cans though,if they were black they wouldn't stand out so much, and at least it seems to have decent brakes too!

The nagging doubt I have is that swingarm. Its a doubt because I really like the S2R style monsters and that swingarm says to me its been engineered for a much more powerful bike....all the way up to the S4R's.
Which makes me wonder whether this may be the template for the future monster family.
I do hope not!:twak:

[JerryXt]

Jerry! I've told you time & time again, DO NOT POST PHOTO'S OF YOURSELF ON THE WEB!!!


no inbreeding down here :D

[bigredduke]

no inbreeding down here :D

Probably because family members would avoid you at all costs!:on:

[JerryXt]

well, there is that...

[Scotty]

The hybrid frame is a thing only its designer could love,hopefully he'll be fired tomorrow and next years version will have a bolt on trellis subframe.
Dont like the footpeg hangers either,the sort of thing that Honda do.:thumbsdown:

I could live with the cans though,if they were black they wouldn't stand out so much, and at least it seems to have decent brakes too!

The nagging doubt I have is that swingarm. Its a doubt because I really like the S2R style monsters and that swingarm says to me its been engineered for a much more powerful bike....all the way up to the S4R's.
Which makes me wonder whether this may be the template for the future monster family.
I do hope not!:twak:


i think i much prefer the trellis frame of old, its proberly an add on part in the new DP catalog :rolleyes:

[eonan]

i think i much prefer the trellis frame of old, its proberly an add on part in the new DP catalog :rolleyes:

Yep...like it or not, there's certainly nothing innovative about it.

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g315/eonan/lynx1.jpg

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g315/eonan/Aprilia_Shiver_750_6.jpg

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g315/eonan/index5.jpg

[johnnystorm]

Oh dear, not keen on this at all. :( The Multistrada looks better. In non-studio shots it looks worse.

[johnnystorm]

http://news.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r46/Motorbiker_photos/EICMA/2007/Ducati-Monster-696-6.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r46/Motorbiker_photos/EICMA/2007/Ducati-Monster-696-4.jpg

[jerry]

Hideous, ugly thing urrggh

[MilesB]

I'd like to see it 'in the metal' - the comments that it looks the MV Brutale mixed with the Moto Morini Corsaro are fair - but both of those are derivatives of the Monster, so it's not really suprising.

Interestingly, they state that the bike is 'more comfortable', with the bars closer to the seat and the pegs lower... sounds like my sort of Monster!

Miles

[neilbaldry]

its totally lost its contempory look. it was a classic design. now it looks like Ducati have 'sold out' and made it look very Japanese. some bits i like, but alot i dont im afraid!

i'm sticking to me S2R, unless someone wants to buy me an 848??!....... please?!

[JerryXt]

Neil, Neil, the 848 has a wet clutch - you don't want one of those. And didn't the clip-ons you had on the monster come off again pretty quickly :)

[neilbaldry]

Neil, Neil, the 848 has a wet clutch - you don't want one of those. And didn't the clip-ons you had on the monster come off again pretty quickly :)


my S2R has a slipper clutch, and no, the clipons are still on! ive just adjusted them a bit?

so Jerry, you buying me an 848? you know, you could buy me a 999 or a 748 instead!

[manc skank]

it has potential. black out the subframe, new rearsets, tail chop, new exhausts and it would look pretty good. RRP is supposed to be £5500 if converted direct from euros.

for that money i'd spend another £1k and get a hypertard.

[neilbaldry]

rightey ho then! ive done a bit of a bodge job and cut/pasted the headlight off a 695 and tail chopped it......... andyone wanna take it a tad further and paste on some tasty cans for it?

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b208/neilbaldry/2008monster.png

[Gilps]

I think it will be quite a while before we see a water cooled engine in the bike. Ducati have historically put the water cooled engines in to the Monsters using engines that are no longer used in their sportsbikes. I may be wrong but it has always looked to me to be a way of getting rid of unwanted surplus engines. As the S4RS and S4R are still listed as models next year then that's the old 999 engines used up. I suppose they could launch a 749 derived bike.
As the 1098 and 848 are going to continue to be in demand I can't see either of those lumps going in for a while.
I think we'll see an 1100 engine from the HM in the new shape and that will be it for a while.

[JerryXt]

my S2R has a slipper clutch, and no, the clipons are still on! ive just adjusted them a bit?

so Jerry, you buying me an 848? you know, you could buy me a 999 or a 748 instead!

Neil, I'm sure you're a really nice guy, but, er, you're not really my type :D

[DevilBoy]

Minging minging minging!

I like the swing arm and tank though...

But those rearsets! Those exhausts!!!! That Subframe!!!
Why ducati why!!!

[Shandy]

mmmm not sure about that need to see it in the flesh to make my mind up........and in yellow :chuckle:

[Kato]

Front end looks horrible with that stupid light, don't like the frame or the smart car removable tank panels and the exhaust looks like an afterthought but I love the swingarm.

[JerryXt]

Front end looks horrible with that stupid light, don't like the frame or the smart car removable tank panels and the exhaust looks like an afterthought but I love the swingarm.

you would like that bit. It still looks like it's off the front of a forklift to me

Bah humbug!

[seby]

don`t worry guys same comment in the italian monster forum!!

ugly :)

[Melnie Mouse]

Hmmm

Can't wait to ride one! i'll let you know!

[Melnie Mouse]

come to your local Ducati dealer to test ride one when available

[jerry]

It looks like a Triumph Speed triple now ,

[eonan]

Credit to the guy who worked on this half. The guy who's decision it was to bolt it to the other half, needs a good kicking.

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g315/eonan/goodhalf.jpg

[JerryXt]

do you think Ducati are reading threads like these? They must be remembering launch pics of the 999 :chuckle:

[banditloon]

Her Holyness of Bologna (Nessie to everyone else), being old and wise (and not the prettiest member of the UKMOC), has just fallen over in disgust of her new sibbling....

Oh dear...

[Nonnie]

Well, if Ducati read these boards....

I'll have one. It's bluddy gorgeous and I want one.

Send me one forthwith!

In black if it's all the same to you.

[Fraser]

off to Milano tomorrow so will give its tyres a damm good kicking and let you all know!! If I haven't had too much pasta and vino..............:spin:

[jerry]

Er the people who like this bike probably need eye tests urgently as well as mental health checks .

[giler]

I think it has potential.
I would only want to change the headlight, footrest hangers,exhausts,
sub frame, mirrors,.......................................... ....

[desmo]

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r297/desmo-s2r/NewMonster04.jpg

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r297/desmo-s2r/NewMonster05.jpg

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r297/desmo-s2r/NewMonster06.jpg

Like the rear end
Not to sure about the front, will need to see it in the flesh.
When will they release the 800cc & 1100cc versions?
Will the 800cc & 1100cc versions have a sindle sided swing arm?
Will Baglux produce a tank cover for that tank?

Desmo.

[Guzzirider]

I'm disappointed. After the Hypermotard I was expecting something special- I think the designers have been restrained from using their imagination by corporate bosses worried that anything too radical compared to the old Monster may have the "999" effect on sales.

The new Bimota DB7 also launched at Milan does give me a trouser tingle though:
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/204159/images/bimotadb7.jpg

[eonan]

The new Bimota DB7 also launched at Milan does give me a trouser tingle though:
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/204159/images/bimotadb7.jpg

Now THAT...I want!!!

[David Matthews]

[QUOTE=neilbaldry;230443]its totally lost its contempory look. it was a classic design. now it looks like Ducati have 'sold out' and made it look very Japanese. some bits i like, but alot i dont im afraid.

I was thinking it's very similar to the most recent Hornet, I think an Italian designed that one. Perhaps it was the same bloke

[Bodybag]

Has anyone else noticed that it really is a Monster?! If you look closely at the rear subframe and the footpeg hangers its a Pterydactyl head and its breathing fire (the exhaust).
http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r297/desmo-s2r/NewMonster06.jpg

Or, perhaps I shouldn't have eaten a whole tub of M&S Rocky Roads before looking at the picture!!

I have to admit though, its growing on me. Every time I look at it I see another new small detail that makes it look even better (like no cable ties on the frame).

[Pedro]

I'm disappointed. After the Hypermotard I was expecting something special- I think the designers have been restrained from using their imagination by corporate bosses worried that anything too radical compared to the old Monster may have the "999" effect on sales.

The new Bimota DB7 also launched at Milan does give me a trouser tingle though:
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/204159/images/bimotadb7.jpg

Fook, that's nice....!

I also think the new monster is pretty good too, a good update to a classic design to give a more contemporary look with the spirit of the original.

[neilbaldry]

The new Bimota DB7 also launched at Milan does give me a trouser tingle though:
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/204159/images/bimotadb7.jpg

i second that trouser tingle!! any info on prices and specs?

[neilbaldry]

so its a 1098 engined beastie! with a 1098 roadbike, and a bigger 1200 for track? i forsee a return to hte WSB stage for Bimota!

damn that is saucy!

[JerryXt]

I like that too - looks like a proper engine in there too :D

[eonan]

Seriously...that thing rocks!!! I've still got the deposit down on the 848...but this is going to need to be given a wee test run ;)

[neilbaldry]

would love to see that DB7 and the 1098 go at it on a racetrack! it is damn awesome! Eonan, just get them both! its only money!

[Chris & Nean]

It looks like the new monster's been forgoten about in this thread and it seems we are foucused on that bim now, is this a conscious effort? is this a statement in itself?

[Guzzirider]

Maybe it means that the new Monster hasn't exactly grabbed us by the bollocks!

Where is the flair, the imagination, the originality?

I like a bike that shocks and stuns when you first see it- does the new Monster do any of that?

[neilbaldry]

i tell what did do that to me...... seeing the SR series monster. now when i first saw that, i knew i had to have one (so i got one). i wish Massimo Tamburini was back with Ducati................

[JerryXt]

that's the same for me - when I saw the Rs, I had to have it.

[neilbaldry]

did they really need to redesign the monster? i mean couldnt a few styling tweeks and new engines have been enough?

the only thing i would want to change on mine is longer tank range......

maybe we should start a poll on the new monster?

[eddie munster]

why??

Japs/Brits have been trying to copy the styling for a while... Ducati have went an copied an imitation of themselves :dunce:

[MistaMonsta]

long time, no post....
Not bad but how are they ever going to improve on the original classic? All starting to look a bit generic these days but I guess the Monster started it all. And you can put your throw-over panniers in the bin with those cans.
11151

11152
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[gremlin]

I like it, I've always liked shotgun exhausts, and why change a classic too drastically for the sake of it. Having been to Fighterama I've got loads of ideas I'd love to do to mine when we have the money, I think it will be a very long term project!

[GULLY]

Hi Guys
Well i am not sure, the bike looks ok but it lacks the monster in it for me. I like the fuel tank shape and the grills in the top of the fuel tank but will it effect the distance you can travel on it. Not keen on the light, it looks a bit like an Aprillia. Generally all in all it is a lovely looking bike and I would love to own one but it is just lacking that certain something for me that my old girl has got.

Gully

[barbican]

OK so without riding it and knowing how good it is how about a poll?

[Will]

It's not really a Monster is it? No originality, not at all sexy and F.Ugly.

Ducati seem to have fallen into the trap of following the current naked bike styling trends. They need to sell more bikes to survive so I guess that they have to follow fashion. Great pity but it's getting harder and harder to be different and make money.

Sad, but if you can't beat them, then join them seems to be the current plan, it started with the 1098 - now only the classic range are still genuine Ducatis.

[Guzzirider]

If was in the market for a new Ducati, this baby would get my cash instead of the new Monster. Much more interesting.
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/195021/images/02sideon01.jpg

[neilbaldry]

If was in the market for a new Ducati, this baby would get my cash instead of the new Monster. Much more interesting.
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/195021/images/02sideon01.jpg

i'd go with a sport classic.

[1001001001]

The cans have to go ..... the tail, and swing arm are nice ... the head light looks crap. And it has 'changeable' sides for the tank, so really it has 'clip on' tank covers ... its not ment to be a barbie doll, oooh, which colour will i have this week. !!

:dizzy:

Sorry Ducati, i know people will buy it, but i'm not.

Nope, I'm keeping the 620 :pd:

[Bodybag]

So, what we've established here is that aircooled is better than watercooled, right?!

Same old arguments from the same old people. :mand:

All you antique aircooled purists are always going to put down change. Its quite funny hearing comments like "why couldn't they make a few minor tweaks and keep the original?"

They can't because the design is well over 10 years old, the frame is old, the engine is old, the technology that went into designing the amazing old Monster is now obsolete and things get better which necessitates change. Progress is a wonderful thing and I salute Ducati for another new and good looking bike.

Just out of curiosity, how many of you aircooled purists aren't going to be able to watch TV after 2010 because Analogue is better than Digital? :D

[Paranoid Dave]

I just seen the new look in MComicN, I really don't like it. Update it if you have to but ROUND headlight and where's the cowl, the crap rear seat looks like its been stolen from a 4 year old fazer.

[Melnie Mouse]

do you think Ducati are reading threads like these? They must be remembering launch pics of the 999 :chuckle:

yes i can assure you they do read these threads and the sporting club one too!

[Melnie Mouse]

i'd go with a sport classic.

this one is my fave too, great fun to ride, best grin factor bike ever ridden! :D

[CK & AK]

Well, overall I like it - BUT have already asked AK to work out the best means for replacing that dreadful tacky headlight & the cans.

Next to remove or customise would be the rearsets.

Finally, I really wouldnt want removable panels on the tank - how absolutely tacky is that?????? - what compromise is there? - is there going to be less room for fuel? Are the 'panels' going to stay put? - nasty gimmicky thing - I'd replace the tank with one which was 'complete', but I do like the 'vents' in the new tank:)

C

[J.P]

I think it's very typical that all of us think first 'what can we improve'.

[barbican]

Power to weight, its got more buzz to it than the S4RS!

C:)


696 80bhp 161Kg = .496bhp/kg
S2R1K 95bhp 178kg = .533bhp/kg
S4Rs 130bhp 177Kg= .734 bhp/kg

Are my maths wrong? Certainly going to be fast though

I suppose the removable panels keep costs down in some way and make color change simple (3 bits of plastic). Not sure if its a cheap move or a realy useful way of repairing scratches etc, bet there will be some interesting aftermarket panels available soon (like fury red and black spots?).

[SJR999r]

new monster,is verrrrrrrryy nice,but i would much go for a black,all black hypermotard,bit of kit:woot:

[Nim]

i know ive missed most of this thread...but i just wanna say...i like the new monster!!! (better than my 695....grrrrr...which im selling anyways), but im also liking the 848...espec if it has a wet clutch..i couldnt even move my left hand after riding a 999 through traffic all day last sunday...bloody dry clutches!

[neilbaldry]

it couldnt have been that bad if its one of Ducatis best sellers for i dont know how long!




So, what we've established here is that aircooled is better than watercooled, right?!

Same old arguments from the same old people. :mand:

All you antique aircooled purists are always going to put down change. Its quite funny hearing comments like "why couldn't they make a few minor tweaks and keep the original?"

They can't because the design is well over 10 years old, the frame is old, the engine is old, the technology that went into designing the amazing old Monster is now obsolete and things get better which necessitates change. Progress is a wonderful thing and I salute Ducati for another new and good looking bike.

Just out of curiosity, how many of you aircooled purists aren't going to be able to watch TV after 2010 because Analogue is better than Digital? :D

[Chris & Nean]

There’s defiantly something ‘Reptilian Ear Hole Like' about those tank vents.

[Will]

So, what we've established here is that aircooled is better than watercooled, right?! ........

.....Just out of curiosity, how many of you aircooled purists aren't going to be able to watch TV after 2010 because Analogue is better than Digital? :D


As a professional Electronics Engineer of 'x' years (Where x is a significant +ve integer) I'd like to point out that Analog and Digital TV are both air cooled. :D

P.S.
Analog TV does have the advantage over Digital of de-grading in a friendly manner; picture quality will gradually deteriorate before it gives up completely i.e it still provides useful information under poor reception conditions. On the other hand digital TV while ultimately capable of much higher picture quality does not have anywhere near the poor reception tolerance of Analog - in fact in falls flat on its face and becomes unusable at the slightest hint of low signal strength.

[J.P]

Who said the UKMOC wasn't the most informed forum in the UK ?

[DevilBoy]

Do you know what though guys.
After a second glance. And imagining it with a nice set of high level Termi's.
And some small black rearsets with no passenger bracket.
And that amazing new seat cowl, with the little black bit...

It could look stunning.
I change my mind. I love it.

[JerryXt]

no, I've looked at it again and it still looks like quasimodo to me.

Italian design is meant to be organic, natural and flowing, like the original monster where you can run a line from the tail all the way to the bars in one flowing motion. The long tea tray on the later bikes just extend the line.

If the original monster was a wild boar, sleek, powerful and agressive, this new thing looks like a domesticated pig to me; flabby and chunky.






...if I'm a little loquacious today, it's because I''m writing specification documents rather than writing clever code today (I've got to think of new ways to say the same old).

[J.P]

...if I'm a little loquacious today,

I think I'll be looking that one up then...:scratch:

[desmo]

looks like Ducati are being very cautious with this.
They are only introducing this as a 696.
No 800cc.
No 1100cc
I think they will watch how it sells, whilst still keeping the SR range in production for a year or so.

So the question is, should I buy a new S2R 1000 whilst I still can?
Or keep my dosh untill they release the 1100DS version of the new Monster?
Or buy the new naked Fireblade, nice bike minging colour?

Desmo.

[giler]

looks like Ducati are being very cautious with this.
They are only introducing this as a 696.
No 800cc.
No 1100cc
I think they will watch how it sells, whilst still keeping the SR range in production for a year or so.

So the question is, should I buy a new S2R 1000 whilst I still can?
Or keep my dosh untill they release the 1100DS version of the new Monster?
Or buy the new naked Fireblade, nice bike minging colour?

Desmo.

Buy the S2R 1000 while you can! Don't put it off, you know you want to!

[DevilBoy]

If they make a 1000cc version of this. or even a 1098 version (drooool), i'm having one.

I personally think the original monster is but ugly out of the showroom.
Its only when you take the screen off, sort the exhausts out, get a seat cowl, do a tail chop, get some lower handlbars... THEN it looks lush!

So I think, when we start seeing some nice fiddled with monsters, it'll look alot nicer than the curent ones. Mark my words my lovelies. :devil:

[neilbaldry]

they ususally have a version full of all the trick bits on the stand........ you think they have one with all the performance parts at Milan now?

[Chris & Nean]

11153Ducati split the frame up in too 2 separate components, a front section (trellis frame) and a rear (cast alloy sub frame part), both these structures have a single bolted connection point positioned midway between where the previous frame to chassis connection points were positioned and the motor is still used as a stressed member. I don’t like this at all, a better approach would have been to continue the trellis frame all the way to the rear engine fixing point and then bolt on a sub frame (cast alloy or another trellis frame arrangement) to take the weight of the rider and passenger.

[barbican]

looks like Ducati are being very cautious with this.
They are only introducing this as a 696.
No 800cc.
No 1100cc
I think they will watch how it sells, whilst still keeping the SR range in production for a year or so.

So the question is, should I buy a new S2R 1000 whilst I still can?
Or keep my dosh untill they release the 1100DS version of the new Monster?
Or buy the new naked Fireblade, nice bike minging colour?

Desmo.

at 161kg and 95bhp it should go very well and if as they sometimes do they release the 09 models in Sept 08.............

[Albie]

Latest pics

http://www.pierrecol.com/Milan2007/Milan2007-%20053.jpghttp://www.pierrecol.com/Milan2007/Milan2007-%20051.jpg
http://www.pierrecol.com/Milan2007/Milan2007-%20048.jpg
http://www.pierrecol.com/Milan2007/Milan2007-%20052.jpg

[GULLY]

Latest pics

http://www.pierrecol.com/Milan2007/Milan2007-%20053.jpg

DAM i like that !!
and the bike not to bad too:D

[Will]

Mixing the traditional tubular trellis and aluminium castings like that just looks soooo wrong - it doesn't flow. :fou:

The whole thing is just a mess of different styles - it looks like it was designed by a committee! (I bet it was).

By any stretch of the imagination it ain't sexy.

[Albie]

Thats the thing im not that stuck on too much casting. Would have preferred some red tubed fabrication with curves.

[Duncan]

I like the thing apart from the mirrors and the exhausts.

When the new Monsters came out in 2000 with the ST frame instead of 888, the more rounded styling etc, everyone was critical but soon came to like them. I do like the front half of the exhaust system, reminds me of an old siamesed syatem on a Triumph I had many years ago.

This is only another evolution, and the Ducati spare parts catalogue will do well when everyone replaces the silencers, mirrors, tank panels, seat etc just like they currently do.

A lot of this bike is high spec for an entry level model, just look at the brakes and suspension and just as in the past it will attract the discerning buyer.

Well done Ducati for having the balls to do this so close to the launch of 1098, Desmosedici, Hyperretard and SportClassics. Any of those could have failed but have all looked great in the flesh.

[markus]

It's ok - not a patch on the classic tho

Liking the light, suspensions (ok the yokes) and the 'zorsts
Really not liking the swinger, sub frame, tank or much else.......

I'll keep mine thank you.....but i will be waiting for a crashed one to steal those yokes from!

[STU65]

I've only seen the pic's, but for me I don't like it. Maybe that will change when I see one in the flesh, However I think not.

I'm sure the bike is good, very functional and looks more modern, better power than the old etc.. etc.. but the styling has lost its soul, its character, to me its trying to hard.

In the past I bought the monster because it was different, that to me was what made it special and worth the money.

[desmo]

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r297/desmo-s2r/2007-Ducati-Monster695.jpg

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r297/desmo-s2r/NewMonster03.jpg

[neilbaldry]

i would have prefered a monster based on the SR range to whats been produced.

[sidrat]

Well thats buggered it then, i quite liked it until desmo posted the pictures beside each other now i am not so sure. I can say though that it does make the current monster look a tad old fashioned....

[gremlin]

I like it except for the exhaust but that's easy enough to change. Must admit the swingarm does look a bit agricultural. It seems a shame they've replaced a lot of the trellis too, but I guess it's all progress. It's just gone a bit Japanese. I wouldn't say no if offered one but then I'm easily pleased!

[Fodder]

I think it looks great. A superb next gen monster, I would have one.:thumbsup:

[dam]

I like some (swingarm) but not others (headlight)

I have added a pic with a bit of tinkering

[MilesB]

I haven't jumped in too soon on this one... I wasn't too keen at first, but it's grown on me.

The site indicates the bars are closer to the seat, and the pegs lower and further forward - thus 'improving' the ergonomics. seeing as that was what I wanted to do with my old Monster, I'll be intrigued to throw a leg over one.

The only thing that does look a little odd to me, is that the seat has been angled up at the back. It'll probably make things better for pillions - no more sensation of falling off the back of the seat.

I was all fired up about it, but then I found this
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2007/November/november5-11/nov0607milanshowmotoguzziv7classiclaunched/?&R=EPI-96862
NIIIICE :thumbsup:

Miles

[Combatxe2]

Just when i was getting bored with ducati and thinking of buying an Aprillia Shiver.....they go and bring a new monster out.
I think its a breath of fresh air that a manufacturer is brave enough to alter such a main stay in their model range and be fairly bold about it too.

personaly loving the changes, think i will be chopping my old monster in for its newer brother when they ar avalible.

[banditloon]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y280/banditloon/NewMonster03.jpg

Hmmmmmm

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y280/banditloon/TriumphSpeedTriple05.jpg

:D Right time to buy a British bike then :chuckle:

[Lucati]

I too have held off until now! I bought my 695 this spring and I have to admit, I'd wanted one for years but in all honesty, I bought it thinking that the Aprilla Shiver looked cooler, more contemporary and I even liked the new Hornet for it's crazy angular styling but at the end of the day none of them were Ducatis! I'll be heading down to my dealer in April for a sit on one and I am really hoping they get on and bring out an S2R 1000 version asap cos that's what i'm after next. I'm a toy designer by trade and the new Monster looks like a big boys (and girls) toy and I love it.... It will always take a lot to convince us lot because we are already Ducati Monster lovers but I think this new design will win over a lot of people from the dark side..... there, I've said it! Happy weekend you lot! Lucati

[nambduke]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y280/banditloon/NewMonster03.jpg

Hmmmmmm

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y280/banditloon/TriumphSpeedTriple05.jpg

:D Right time to buy a British bike then :chuckle:

The very reason why I don't like the Triumph....I hate the stubby zorts....disjointed frame....just doesn't do anything for me. Best test...would this Yorkshireman get his hand in his pocket....NO! I hate it.......And the upswept exhaust just looks like one off a Honda SS50 scooter/moped from the 70's.....and they weren't cool in any sense of the word!!

So far in the poll on another thread, it's 50/50. 50% like it, 35% hate it and 15% DON'T CARE??!!

Here's the thread....start voting...

http://www.ukmonster.co.uk/monster/showthread.php?t=25230

Regards,
Mark 'I like my M1000ie best' Nambduke

[farl]

New colours for the 696 from MCN..

www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2008/February-1-3/11-17/feb1508ducatimonster696coloursrevealed/?R=EPI-98602

Following the world unveiling at the Milan Motorcycle Show (EICMA07) and just weeks away from the first deliveries to showrooms around the world, the new Monster 696 reveals its two new colour schemes.
In addition to the 'Ducati red', the Monster 696 will also be available from April 2008 in the new 'pearl white' and traditional 'matte-black' or 'dark'.

'Pearl white', already featured on other highly successful Ducati models like the Superbike 848, emphasizes the muscular lines of the Monster 696 which contrast sharply with the seat, sub-frame and Hybrid-Trellis frame.

The 'dark' version demonstrates how the Monster silhouette remains totally uncompromised by centralising the bike's volumes and masses.
Both colours are complemented perfectly by black wheels and frames.

[Dave G]

Have you noticed they painted the ghastly subframe black.
It may be slightly less noticable in black but its still hideous, put a proper trellis in there Ducati!!:thumbsdown:

[barbican]

Even with more black paint its still not my cup of tea, but I think it will sell well if it gets some good write ups.

Natty / Benson see if you can get a UKMoc test ride when you visit on the 29th:thumbsup:

[Seb_uk]

Not for me either.

I will admit that it is a lot of bike for the money in terms of the spec, but it looks like a cross between a hypermotard and an Aprillia Shiver. I can't get my head around the 'removable and interchangeable fuel tank panels' so that you can change the colour of the bike. If you want a red bike then buy a red bike. If you want a black bike then buy a black bike.....if you want both colours then buy a 695 like mine! :) Seriously, what will they think of next? Plastic flower vases like a VW Beetle......???!!!

[jerry]

put a 7'' real headlight on and it will look OK,

[fatbloke]

I like it

http://www.jedispark.com/images/696White.jpg

[Shandy]

I like it

http://www.jedispark.com/images/696White.jpg

Yeah there's something about that pearly white finish that looks really good, if it's the same as the 848 colour then yeah I like it........:flag:

Shandy

[Jules]

oh dear my daniel craig poster has now been bined and replaced with 696 poster. This looks stunning cant wait to try it!

[JerryXt]

No, it's still hideous. The headlight makes it look like the thing is ashamed of how ugly it is.

[dlloyduk]

Must admit I like it a lot apart from the cans. Although I reckon if I dare say it, a street triple or shiver probably better bikes or even :cens: that dorsoduro thing.

[desmo]

Just showed the Mrs the photos, she has ordered the classic red which she is happy with.
Curious that non of the photos so far show the plus version with the colour matched screen?
She can't wait for hers to come in, glad they appear to have painted the subframe black, I think to looks better than in just alloy coloured, although I think the bike would have been better recieved with a full trellis frame.

[nambduke]

I've been pondering the aesthetics of the new design again to see if I can understand why I don't really like it and suddenly it dawned on me!

Part of the real beauty of the Ducati design I really like on the older design is the lightness of the trellis frame. The new design is...???....!!!!....heavy! The main tubes look a bigger diameter, the interconnecting struts are set at greater angles, whereas the newer design has very shallow angles.....have a look again and see what I mean. It just doesn't look right in my eyes.

So, I began looking at trellis designs on other machines and vehicles. There is a cycle manufacturer, Moulton, and their trellis frames are light and slender in design yet very strong. Many of the old Group B rally cars and older formula one cars had space frames - which again were light and very strong.....

So my point......

The new design has lost the sense of lightness and finesse which characterises the classic trellis frames we are so much in love with. It's the combination of the L twin (V Twin??) and the light trellis frame design combination, that for me provides the beauty within the beast we know as a Monster and many of us feel connected with, hence this forum and the emotion it still creates for me personally. Something the new Monster fails to stir…………….

Regards,
Mark ‘Passionate and Emotional’ Nambduke

[bad-yeti]

I like it

http://www.jedispark.com/images/696White.jpg

Okay in that light it looks reasonable, but I still hate it, seeing it in the flesh it's a failed attempt in my opinion. So I've ordered an 848 instead.

[NattyBoy]

oh dear my daniel craig poster has now been bined and replaced with 696 poster. This looks stunning cant wait to try it!

Oh christ - not another DC fan - Barbara wont shut up about him !!

[Pedro]

Oh christ - not another DC fan - Barbara wont shut up about him !!


Hardly surprising when she has to suffer your mug every day!



:chuckle:

[neilbaldry]

i want to see a version with the screen and aftermarket cans

[MilesB]

I like it

Me too - especially in DARK.

[Mand]

Me too - especially in DARK.

I like it too.

[rockbob]

Hi like it myself:mand: already booked a test when it arrives in uk!!, yes it is different from your trad monster but things have to evolve to survive, in business you stand still you go out of business. I understand the people who don't like the new style but i think it will bring a new wave of people to Ducati who previously would not even look at a monster because of the age of the original design, and that surely can not be bad for all of us you already love the brand and its products! The original Monster will always have a strong loyal following and rightly so.
cheers for reading
rockbob

[desmo]

things have to evolve to survive, in business you stand still you go out of business. I understand the people who don't like the new style but i think it will bring a new wave of people to Ducati who previously would not even look at a monster because of the age of the original design


Very true, many things over the years have had iconic status, Volkswagon Beetle, Mini, Morris 1000 etc, but time moves on.