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The Dude
15-02-2006, 01:22 AM
Ok. A month ago i had what i thought was the high level Termignoni carbon fibre full system fitted to my 620. What i actually ordered and had fitted was just the pipework that bends up and the carbon cans (my fault for not knowing anything about exhaust systems).
So whats the difference between a full racing exhaust system and just slip-ons? In other words, what would i now need to buy and add on to make what i already have a full system?
Do i just need to get the air filter and injection control unit? Or does the pipework that sits under the bike and actually connects to the engine need to be replaced aswell?
I payed £640 for what i have at the moment. What would a full system have cost? Cheers

Fosse Foxfight
15-02-2006, 09:30 AM
Ok. A month ago i had what i thought was the high level Termignoni carbon fibre full system fitted to my 620. What i actually ordered and had fitted was just the pipework that bends up and the carbon cans (my fault for not knowing anything about exhaust systems).
So whats the difference between a full racing exhaust system and just slip-ons? In other words, what would i now need to buy and add on to make what i already have a full system?
Do i just need to get the air filter and injection control unit? Or does the pipework that sits under the bike and actually connects to the engine need to be replaced aswell?
I payed £640 for what i have at the moment. What would a full system have cost? Cheers
Talk to Scotty, he is the resident exhaust hero.....wahahahahahaha....ahem, you got a set of slip ons and the link pipes by the sound of it. For a system that goes from cylinder hedas to arse end you can pay from 1000 to LOADS for whole systems including cams n chips. A full pipe set is usually around 1500 quid from say Akrapovic., thats sans cams et sans frites.

ta ra

A Yerbury
15-02-2006, 09:46 AM
get a power comander instead and carve up your air box whilst you are at it.

The Dude
15-02-2006, 10:59 AM
Well i was going to get a power commander and air filter and have it set up on Philip McCallens Dyno in Lurgan. What do you mean carve up my airbox? Bare in mind that i don't know a hell of a lot about engines and bikes in general.

A Yerbury
15-02-2006, 11:27 AM
quite literally cut the airbox lid open to allow a bit more air in, possibly advisable to get this Mcallens chappy to do it though? Although after forking out 700 for the pipes I wouldn'tbother with the cams and head pipes approach on top of the dyno tune/power commander, unless you have money to burn.

A.

Gilps
15-02-2006, 01:17 PM
by just fitting link pipes and slip-ons you are not going to need to alter the fuelling much, if at all. When you start fitting a high flow air filter, and maybe increasing gas flow by increasing exhaust size/throughput, then you will need to look at altering the fuelling. for this you will need to tune the ECU, fit a new ECU, or fit a power commander. I recently fitted Termis, new link pipe to eliminate the cat, DP high flow filter, and needed to fit a Power Commander as the new ECU that came with the system was off an S4r so no good to me.
Just cutting the top off the air box will increase air flow into the box but a standard air filter will still restrict airflow. If you buy a Ducati Performance air filter get the new lid that is totally open. Saves having to cut the old one up.

The Dude
15-02-2006, 02:54 PM
So what i'm looking at doing here is, getting an air filter, a new airbox or cutting the old one. Getting a power commander. Then having the whole thing run on a dyno. Is that about right?

A Yerbury
15-02-2006, 03:18 PM
yesyesyesyes.

The Dude
15-02-2006, 03:25 PM
Cool. Thanks all :thumbsup:

The Dude
10-04-2006, 03:00 PM
:banghead: Well, almost 2 months since i last posted about this. I just got off the phone with Nick, the power commander expert at Philip McCallen Motorcycles in Lurgan. Nick doesn't have a clue if i'll need an air filter. Nick doesn't have a clue if i'll need to mod the airbox. And whats worse is that Nick doesn't seem very interested in finding out for me so i can go spend around £600 in his shop. Infact, no one seems to know for sure. I have emailed Ducati about this. Hopefully they will know. Hopefully. :banghead:

Gilps
10-04-2006, 03:25 PM
Lets see if I can get this right. I think you've fitted new cans and link pipes and you need to know what to do next.
The new cans and pipes should not have altered the fuelling much. If they have then your local Ducati specialist/dealer (not always the same thing) should be able to sort it by tweaking the existing fuel mixture. Should not cost much.
If you want to increase performance then you need to burn more fuel. To burn more fuel you need more air too. The standard air filter and box will restrict airflow too much. Get a high flow air filter such as the DP one. You will also need to let more air into the airbox - either cut the top off the existing one or be lazy like me and use the DP one. Now you can increase the fuel intake.
However, this will all be too much for the existing ECU. This is where the Power Commander comes in.
To summarize, you have three options.
1. Just tweak the existing set up
2. Fit just a Power Commander, this will help straighten out your fuel mapping and will do a better job than just playing with the setup.
3. fit the Power Commander and spend another £50 or so on air filter and air box lid - also known as "going the whole hog"

I think the thing thats going to make the biggest difference to your bike is the Power Commander. It will be like riding a new machine. But if you are going to spend £300 plus, then you may as well go all the way and sort out the air filter too.

maddness100
10-04-2006, 03:28 PM
jesus, dude. that is a lot of time, money and hassle! but, although i feel like i know less than anyone about this sht, from what i hear you don't really need to do anything else. really. the member gilps seems to have said the same here on feb. 2 at 1.17 p.m.

if i'm wrong though, i'd like to know it, as i'm about to embark upon the same journey. i will be happy as long as my bike sounds loud and sweet and cars move out of the way quickly when i'm tearing up the embankment!

i assume your termis at least sound sweet???

S4Rs-Tone
10-04-2006, 03:36 PM
gilps as a fellow s2r owner, would you say if my exhaust end is constantly black and sooty that if i fit a dp or equivalent air filter and airbox lid this will lean out my mixture, or should i have a black sooty end.(ooooo matron):spin: have you fitted a power commander , if so did it really make a big difference.

The Dude
10-04-2006, 03:37 PM
Man the Termis sound amazing. I see peoples heads turn as i riding up the street just to see what the hell the noise is.lol. You can hear them from miles off. My mate has a Honda SP1 with Micron race cans on, and he thinks mine sound a hell of a lot better. They set car alarms off ffs.lol

So,
Step 1:- Get the power commander fitted first
Step 2:- Look into getting a high flow air filter and getting the box sorted.

Have i got that right?lol

The Dude
10-04-2006, 03:41 PM
As new before i did anything to it.

The Dude
10-04-2006, 03:43 PM
After spending almost £2,000

Gilps
10-04-2006, 03:52 PM
Man the Termis sound amazing. I see peoples heads turn as i riding up the street just to see what the hell the noise is.lol. You can hear them from miles off. My mate has a Honda SP1 with Micron race cans on, and he thinks mine sound a hell of a lot better. They set car alarms off ffs.lol

So,
Step 1:- Get the power commander fitted first
Step 2:- Look into getting a high flow air filter and getting the box sorted.

Have i got that right?lol
I think that if you are happy with the sound and am not looking for extra poke, then just get the fuelling checked out.
I fitted a PC and am amazed at the difference. I will definitely be fitting one to my next proper bike (haven't bothered with my BMW F650GS as it's not that kind of bike). All I'm saying is that if you are going to spend £300 plus on a PC and Dyno set up, then you may as well go all the way and unleash the extra bit of power by opening up the airflow.
One final thing, if its noise you are after, the induction sound from the revised airbox is downright wierd and unsettling at first, but now its all part of the experience. I wouldnt go back to the standard airbox. Its a lovely noise that lets you know that your bike is alive and breathing buckets of air.

Gilps
10-04-2006, 03:52 PM
Oh, and your bike looks great too.

Gilps
10-04-2006, 03:57 PM
gilps as a fellow s2r owner, would you say if my exhaust end is constantly black and sooty that if i fit a dp or equivalent air filter and airbox lid this will lean out my mixture, or should i have a black sooty end.(ooooo matron):spin: have you fitted a power commander , if so did it really make a big difference.
I would say that if the end is black and sooty then you have a problem with your fuelling. I'm no expert and can only relate my own experiences but if that was me I would take it to the dealer to sort out. If you fit a new air filter you will still need to get the fuelling checked.
My bike was running rough and lumpy and I thought that it was supposed to be like that. you know, V twin character and all that. It turned out i had very little compression on the rear cylinder and i got new barrels and pistons fitted. The bikes too new for you to be putting up with problems. That's why we paid over the odds in the first place, for the warranty. i would use it.

maddness100
10-04-2006, 03:58 PM
fat, i have the same bike. let's see the AFTER pics.

i want to set off car alarms on my way to work, but not on my way home. ;D

maddness100
10-04-2006, 04:00 PM
oops, i am a slow typist. nice! like the bellypan!

The Dude
10-04-2006, 04:08 PM
The ends inside are a little black and sooty. I thought that was just what an exhaust was like since smoke comes out of it. The bike does feel a little lumpy, again i thought a twin was like that. This is my first big bike so i'm still learning lots.

Thanks for the comments on the pics :thumbsup: