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djkus
02-10-2005, 09:45 AM
Hi all, over the last couple months my m600 (2001) has been very squeeky when moving it with engine off,with engine on you cant hear it of course..
I think its coming from the yellow spring, spraying wd40 around it may cure it for a few minutes but Im looking for a long term fix.
Its very embaressing when getting on it at garages ect... squeek squeek as you sit on it and move the spring on it.
Im assuming its the spring, cant see what else it could be.
Is this a common problem ?>
Scotty
02-10-2005, 09:54 AM
well rather than the actual spring have a look at the linkage pivots / rose joints
i think my old 600 has grease holes o nthe rose joints but they were rusted up
should you need replacments a rose joint shop will be cheaper than the ducati branded ones
fatbloke
02-10-2005, 10:02 AM
well rather than the actual spring have a look at the linkage pivots / rose joints
i think my old 600 has grease holes o nthe rose joints but they were rusted up
should you need replacments a rose joint shop will be cheaper than the ducati branded ones
I think scottys spot on
But do then ASAP when they seize up they somtimes snap and the rear end
of the bike could collapse onto the rear wheel (it has happend more than once)
djkus
02-10-2005, 10:11 AM
oh dear, it seems to be a never ending battle to keep the monster going and fixing all the problems on it.
only had it about 3 months or so, in that time ive had to.
Replace both tyres, replace all filters and belt in full service, replace electric box that controls the cylinders (one was not firing at low revs, fixed now), repair a few bad electrical connections on the indicators, oh and i lost the fibre glass rear seat cover at high speed on motorway. :( not screwed on tight enough i guess.
lol
Is it a big job replacing that thing you talk about? I cant think of the part your talking about offhand, but dont fancy falling onto the wheel when moving..
searching net at mo to see if i can see a pic of it.
DesmoDog
02-10-2005, 10:25 AM
Alex Yerbury posted some handy pics on here about six months ago - showed where to grease the little blighters using a syringe. My grease monkey claims that this is an unrewarding pastime and the only way to do it properly is to take them apart and grease directly. Interestingly, it is not a requirement on any service so most people suffer this on older bikes. WD 40 is not a solution and could very well make things much worse as I think it attackes grease.
Space Monkey or Pedro (sorry I always mix them up - I think it's because they look the same, or have the same job, or something unrelated that may or may not involve illegal substances on my behalf, but certainley involves large quantities of vino rosso.) also posted a thread on cheap replacements including dimensions and source - I think this was posted on the useful information thread that may never have been started but was a good idea. Try a search under rose joints.
I've seen the results of a failure, I'd get it sorted if I were you. You need to get those rose joints done too.
djkus
02-10-2005, 10:28 AM
:( oh dear, thanks, it looks like ill probably bring it to the dude that done the service for me. i dont fancy taking it all to bits..
ill search on the forum to see what i can get.
I didnt think it was a serious issue.
DesmoDog
02-10-2005, 10:37 AM
Again, I think Space (Sorry Ped if it was you) rigged some mysterious contraption involving a scissor jack and some 2x4 that allowed access to the joints. You may wish to search.....
Bloody helpful this here club you know.
djkus
02-10-2005, 10:41 AM
Ok, thanks for info, ill have a search.
Lets hope it aint too expensive doesnt take too long.
btw--- can you see the thing that needs greased or looked at in this diagram ?
I've had to do my 94 Monster quite a few times. The only right way to do it is to grease EVERY pivot bolt and bearing, you've got to take the shocker off as well as the rocker arm and the suspension hoop. There's no easy way apart from making sure the bike is well supported when you start undoing the pivot bolts. I made up a Vee shaped cradle to support the bike on the crankcase. It's not a difficult job, just time consuming and awkward. Have fun!
Drucilla
02-10-2005, 11:25 AM
The rose joint is item 13 on your diagram I'd get it sorted ASAP
A Yerbury
02-10-2005, 12:18 PM
get the engine supported, remove the cans for access, undo those joints (13)
then one just flips the hoop up. In this position a similar size dia screwdriver through the bearing and some grease should free them up, you should end up with (I think) 20 degrees lateral play. when putting back together ensure each joint is wound out to the same length. getting a jack under the engine is the tricky bit. I use a jack either side and a bar as a brace.
Alex.
Probably worth greasing bolts 4,6 and 9 if they're a bit dry, while you've got the beast jacked up.
gary tompkins
02-10-2005, 05:50 PM
The bushes (item 8) on the rocker arm are worth greasing too, but it's sure to be the rose joints (13) squeaking. They will seize solid and snap off where threaded into the hoop (12) if ignored, and may even need replacing if too far gone.
WD40 is a waste of time and flushes grease from bearings, as does pressure washing. I strip and grease mine about twice a year, but they do have a small nipple which you can pump grease into with a syringe.
djkus
02-10-2005, 06:43 PM
ok thanks for all advice, i wouldnt know where to start if it wasnt for this forum, cant pay for this sort of help!
:)
I plan to do it this weekend at my father in laws, he knows more about this sort of thing than me.. so its held up till now, i guess a few more days wont hurt.
djkus
02-10-2005, 11:53 PM
Oh, one more thing, i aint got a paddock stand, do you think ill need one or is it possible to do it without?
You'll need to support the bike under the engine, so the rear suspension hangs under its own weight. A paddock stand supports the bike by the swingarm.
Paddock stand is no good mate, you need to take the weight of the bike by supporting the engine from underneath.
djkus
03-10-2005, 12:44 AM
ok, im getting the idea now of what i need to do, plan to do it over the weekend.
one thing, do i have to lift the tank up to get at all these things? im guessing i do.
ive never had it up before!lol never had the need to, i guess ill need to do it when tank empty, or near empty. ?
dont fancy petrol everywhere.
The front bolt (9) will want the tank lifted. Just make sure it's no more than half full.
djkus
03-10-2005, 09:40 PM
ok thanks slob, its something ive never had to do is lift the tank up.
i heard u got to be carefull not to nip the fuel pipes and stuff, amazingly the bike aint squeeking any more, but i know it needs done... weekend it is.
gary tompkins
03-10-2005, 11:21 PM
One of the bonus features of the ABBA stand I use is that it supports the bike at the swing arm pivot. Makes working on the rear suspension a doddle as theres no weight on it. I did hear the someone on here managed to support rear with a block of wood and scissor jack, so that they could dismantle the rear suspension without the back end collapsing?
The ABBA stands expensive (£100) compared to most paddock stands, but is a great investment for longterm monster ownership.
http://www.abbastands.co.uk/
Pedro
03-10-2005, 11:40 PM
Again, I think Space (Sorry Ped if it was you) rigged some mysterious contraption involving a scissor jack and some 2x4 that allowed access to the joints. You may wish to search.....
Bloody helpful this here club you know.
Yep, t'was me!
Bike on paddock stand, cans off, footrest hangers off, hugger off, car scissor jack between the swingarm and the frame tube that the rocker pivots on and you can disconnect the hoop.
If the rose joints are knackered or siezed, don't buy Ducati ones, they're facking expensive!! About £45 each plus the vat. You can get the same item from Bearing Services ( www.bsl.co.uk ) under part number SMG1040 I think for about £15 each. You'll have to reuse the inner bronze sleeve though.
Hope this helps, if not gis a shout.
Ped
djkus
03-10-2005, 11:45 PM
ok thanks for help again, that web link changed? seems to be a strange site that doesnt relate to what we are talking about.
so you have to take the cans off too? damn, its like taking the bike to bits just to grease a couple of things :/
Pedro
03-10-2005, 11:50 PM
If the rose joints have mini grease nipples fitted, all you need is a syringe to grease them.
Ped
Best way to learn mate. Buy a manual, get some decent tools, get a good reliable, sensible friend, or your dad or mad uncle to give you a hand, think about what you are doing and take your time. You might even enjoy it.
A Yerbury
04-10-2005, 12:25 AM
ok thanks for help again, that web link changed? seems to be a strange site that doesnt relate to what we are talking about.
so you have to take the cans off too? damn, its like taking the bike to bits just to grease a couple of things :/
you don't need to take anything off to grease them via the tiny ball bearing nipple at the back, if you want to flip the hoop up and give them a good jiggle then you still don't need to take the hangers or cans off, it's just easier to get to them. Anyway just do it and stop getting into a flap! jacking the bike up can be fiddley but the rest is easier than space lego.
AY.
Davefridge
04-10-2005, 01:30 AM
Hi guys. Just picked up this sqeaking suspension discussion. My old 750ss used to squeak a lot from the rear suspension. SS suspension was very simple---no linkages at all. After a few years the squeaking went away. Then I found that the rubber bushes in the ends of the shock were knackered. managed to find suspension repairer in MCN who rebushed the shock using a needle roller conversion. Job cost about £60
DesmoDog
05-10-2005, 05:58 PM
okaaaay,
I think the rose joints with nipples are on the later bikes, again - my grease monkey tells me that to lube up through there is not the best solution. Follow the wise words and do the job yourself. Could you do mine while you're at it? The blighter has started to squeak like an irate mouse.
found a pic on here of someone lifting the rear end using a ladder and some straps. (was it you Ped ??).
great idea, and i have been using it since, for the front, and the rear.
(take an "inverted V" ladder, place it over the bike, and use nylon straps to hook the frame and top ladder bars. then winch it up. Very safe, no risk of tipping the bike over.)
A Yerbury
05-10-2005, 07:49 PM
a stepladder then?! the early bikes have rose joints on the hoop not the later.. which have no hoop.
djkus
05-10-2005, 08:30 PM
have you got a link to that picture of the bike getting lifted up on v ladder?
you know what, over weekend i sprayed a liberal amount of wd40 on all the joints that move (just to see), nothing apparently happened, but since sunday i have not heard one little squeek out of my bike.
i do plan to grease it over weekend still, but a bit strange its fixed just as i get rouind to doing it.. lol
not a single noise from it now! dont expect it will last of course.
A Yerbury
05-10-2005, 08:38 PM
wd is temporary and expensive, grease is the word. I have not seen it but I imagine it to be a ladder with a ratchet strap, which I plan to buy tomorrow as the two jacks thing is a drag.
that's the idea Al.
You'll need two ratchets though. One either side of the bike. othewise, you will be leaning a bit on the side, and it's probably safer to spread the weight on two points.
Sorry, i cannot remember what i had been searching for when i found that pic.
Use a little imagination.
Hi all, over the last couple months my m600 (2001) has been very squeeky when moving it with engine off,with engine on you cant hear it of course..
I think its coming from the yellow spring, spraying wd40 around it may cure it for a few minutes but Im looking for a long term fix.
Its very embaressing when getting on it at garages ect... squeek squeek as you sit on it and move the spring on it.
Im assuming its the spring, cant see what else it could be.
Is this a common problem ?>
Sounds like your nipples need greasing :D
djkus
05-10-2005, 10:58 PM
Have to say ive never greased my nipples, is it much fun?
Pedro
05-10-2005, 10:58 PM
Yeah, yeah, it was me with the step ladder thing.....
Just found the thread but the pic is corrupt (as per the avatars etc) and the original is on my other laptop.
Anyway, the ladder goes over the rear of the frame, roughly over the grab handles, bit of sturdy timber across the steps and straps to lift the bike.
Ped
djkus
06-10-2005, 12:09 AM
brilliant idea! any chance u can email me the picture?
paul@djkus.co.uk thanks
A Yerbury
06-10-2005, 12:29 AM
that's the idea Al.
You'll need two ratchets though. One either side of the bike. othewise, you will be leaning a bit on the side, and it's probably safer to spread the weight on two points.
Sorry, i cannot remember what i had been searching for when i found that pic.
Use a little imagination.
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