best price for CPU & Ignition plus keys

[MON1000s]

Anybody know who would be the cheapest place to buy the above as i have decided to buy as i have no choice as i do not want to break the bike.
I could kick myself for buying a bike without the red key!
:( :( :( :( :(

[grunter]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7979881745&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT

[dlloyduk]

Have you had a look at the ProTwins Ultimap ECU replacement? I have heard the price of around £400-450 for a replacement ECU.
I am at present waiting for a proper price and some info on other ways round the problem.
I have the same problem only One key! Obviously the bike has some history even though it came up clean on two Hpi reports?
Only 2 previous owners, a ducati main dealer and the guy I bought it off.
I am hoping a few phone calls to the dealer may throw some light on it.
Has anyone ever contacted the factory or UK importer for help on this subject?? If the bike is legally owned and you can give a chassis number.ECU and engine number and prove you are the owner and have one key I am sure there must be a way for them to help?? :rolleyes: If your house burns down when you are out.you lose the red key and all your documents what do you do???Scrap the bike??? when you lose the spare key?? No Way!

[A Yerbury]

according to DUCATI no, you can't make a red without the origional! Is it possible to remove the immobiliser? I would do a web crawl as others must have had this problem and not just dukes but any cpu run modern bike.

g' luck.
Alex

[claicerrig]

Hi Dont know if this helps :confused:

I have a Nissan 200 sx car which is fitted with a Nats 1 immobilizer and alarm.
The car has the unit to activate it fitted to the key.I only had 1 key with the car and the Nissan dealer wanted a fortune to provide an extra. :eek: :eek:

I was told to to go my local Key maker and he had a device that read my original key and fitted the code to a new key electronically and cut it to fit .Could this work for a Ducati Key????????????

Just an idea and it might work

Clai

[marchesini]

according to DUCATI no, you can't make a red without the origional! Is it possible to remove the immobiliser? I would do a web crawl as others must have had this problem and not just dukes but any cpu run modern bike.

g' luck.
Alex

I have an S4R with the standard clocks with immobiliser but want to fit a Translogic race dash and am not having much luck in finding out how to bypass the immobiliser either. I posted on the DesmoDue forum thinking that there would be loads of 620ie's with the immobilisers ripped out but not a sausage? Apparently, John Hackett (Ducati Coventry) has done it to there race bike but haven't managed to get the info out of him yet.

If it helps and that the clocks are transferable, I may sell my whole set-up if I can get this race dash to work. I assume that the red key is just for the immobiliser and that if I get rid of it, then I won't need the red key for anything? May be totally wrong though. More Clouseau work needed methinks.

Good luck

simon

[A Yerbury]

yes err provided one has the orig key, which is the problem here.

[claicerrig]

Cant you read it off the chip in the black key ?

[PaulS]

You might be able to make a clone of an existing key without the red one but I believe the red key is needed if you change the ECU for another Ducati one as this has to be programmed to the keys. The FIM Ultimap ECU does not have the immobiliser function according to their WEBSITE (http://www.fuelinmoto.com.au/). This would almost certainly be cheaper than geting a new set of keys and locks from Ducati and getting a dealer to match them to your ECU.

[dlloyduk]

I read about the Ultimap the same way i.e that it was a way round a ducati ecu! I have just spoken with a guy from Pro twins and said you will still need the red key!
No way round it he says other than Clocks<locks>and ECU from Ducati??
I think every one with this problem should write to as many people at Ducati as possible, they must be able to solve this problem if you can provide chassis,engine numbers and proof of ownership. What they are saying is not on- lose your keys and thats it - £1500 ish!

[PaulS]

I read about the Ultimap the same way i.e that it was a way round a ducati ecu! I have just spoken with a guy from Pro twins and said you will still need the red key!
No way round it he says other than Clocks<locks>and ECU from Ducati??
I think every one with this problem should write to as many people at Ducati as possible, they must be able to solve this problem if you can provide chassis,engine numbers and proof of ownership. What they are saying is not on- lose your keys and thats it - £1500 ish!

I would be inclined to contact FIM in Australia for their version. The guy at Pro Twins may well be correct but FIM claim you can use the bike without a key at all with their ECU so I don't understand why you would need the red key. Their website implies that their ECU doesn't have the immobiliser functionality so why would you need to use the red key to programme it when it won't be looking for signals from the key via the clocks anyway.

Also I'm not sure why you would need to buy new clocks and an ECU as well as a new set of keys and locks. If a dealer replaces your clocks or ECU they use the existing red key to program them so if you replace your keys why can't they reprogram your existing clocks and ECU with the new red key?

I know you would expect a Ducati dealer to know their stuff but in my experience they can sometimes be mines of misinformation or just plain bull****ters. It would be worth contacting Ducati UK to confirm this.

[marchesini]

I know you would expect a Ducati dealer to know their stuff but in my experience they can sometimes be mines of misinformation or just plain bull****ters. It would be worth contacting Ducati UK to confirm this.

I've been speaking to anyone who'll listen as I want to disable the immobiliser in order to fit a race dash. Hers a quote from the US Monster forum who has actually fitted the FIM chip and bypassed the immobiliser:

"Heres the deal. I bought my 620 in Dec of 02, it was a crashed/insurance deal. It had no keys and the guages were destroyed. For me to get it running I would have had to give Ducati about 2500 dollars for the parts needed, but I would have been stuck with Stock gauges and stock mapping. I use this thing for the track only and wanted to put on an aftermarket tach and have it properly remapped for any mods or changes we made. The guys who does my tuning is very familiar with and owns the FIM software so we went that route. So it was cheaper in fact for me to buy the FIM unit than the stock stuff and far more versitile.

As far as features, heres the list from the FIM site:

*Plug-in equivalent of Weber IAW 59M ECU.
*Disables the Immobiliser function for all models. You can use the * U59 on a race or track bike without the ignition key, immobiliser aerial, and immobiliser unit.
Supplied pre-mapped for most applications - slipon mufflers, revised cam timing, etc.
*Fully mappable for Fuel Map, Rear cylinder Correction Map, Spark Map, and Rev Limiter using a new version of our Mapper program (available to dealers)
*Can be operated in Road Mode (all side-stand cutouts, starter button, clutch switch etc. functional) or Track Mode (Kill Switch only) so you don't need to wreck your wiring harness to go to the track.
*Each cutout function can also be individually set if you wish.
*The Dashboard Water Lamp or ECU check lamp can be used as a Programmable Shift Light in addition to the warning function.(Some models only)
*Can be diagnosed using the Ducati Mathesis Tester or our UltiMap Diagnostics Software.

Now on your link to the site where you say you can "disable" the Immobilizer. All you can do is override it if your ECU fails to recognized the chip in the key. You still would have to have and enter the backdoor code,from the code card, everytime you started the bike."

And another one where someone has no access to the red key and wants to get another key cut:

http://www.ducatimonster.org/smf/index.php/topic,9042.0.html

It seems that FIM Ultimap chip is the way to go. The only trouble is that the two dealers (Sigma & ProTwins) who are supposed to be FIM specialists and are supposed to know about them have said that it can't be done. FIM website and US owners suggest otherwise. :rolleyes:

The other downer is the price difference - £450 (£528 inc VAT) in the UK and $650 (£350) in the US. I may call my mate in the US to sort one out for me.

Anyway, whatever the deal is, it's still a damn site cheaper than the ducati option with the added bonus of being completely programmable for fuelling etc.

Hope this helps

simon

[JMo]

Also I'm not sure why you would need to buy new clocks and an ECU as well as a new set of keys and locks. If a dealer replaces your clocks or ECU they use the existing red key to program them so if you replace your keys why can't they reprogram your existing clocks and ECU with the new red key?


I thought this when my dealer replaced my ECU (unnecessarily) - unfortunately, it seems once the blank ECU is coded with the red key, it cannot be over-ridden - in other words, the ECU is coded to your red key and useless to anyone else... what a waste of Norwich Union's £700 eh?

xxx

Still, I've got a spare ECU should I ever need it... x

[MON1000s]

:) Thanks everyone for responding to my thread, i have elected to let Protwin do the work and they were very helpful.
The cheaper way to do it is to by a set of termis with the modded ECU and sports filter at 699+vat plus 199 plus vat for the lock set, i already have a brand new set of clocks so its a slightly cheaper angle.
:burnout:

[ozzy andy]

So am I correct in saying. If I install a new U59 chip, the immobiliser will be disabled and I can copy my key I have now.

Has anyone here done this?

Does any body know where I can get a now chip from?

[Rockhopper]

Hondas HISS system works the same way, loose the leys and its £1000 for a new ECU. Most modern cars are similar, mine codes the ecu to the key the very first time its used then that ECU can only ever be used with the matching key.

[marchesini]

So am I correct in saying. If I install a new U59 chip, the immobiliser will be disabled and I can copy my key I have now.

Has anyone here done this?

Will be in the next week or so when the chip arrives from Oz and as far as I know, the only other person I knopw who has done this is in the States. He says it can be done and spoke to the makers of the FIM chip and they assure us that it will also work. I will be using the FIM Ultimpa U59 with a Translogic Race dash - I'll keep you updated.


Does any body know where I can get a now chip from?

Sigma Performance in the UK but if you are in Oz, FIM themselves. Call them direct and you'll get it cheaper aswell - $700US.

http://www.sigmaperformance.com/

http://www.fuelinmoto.com.au/

best regards

simon

[ozzy andy]

Simon thanks for the info.

I have been trying to contact the guys at FIN but they don't seem to be around, but I will keep trying them.

I will be keen, to here how the U59 chip works out for you. If you have time drop me an e-mail at aalker@australand.com.au to up date me.

Thanks

Andy

[marchesini]

Simon thanks for the info.

I have been trying to contact the guys at FIN but they don't seem to be around, but I will keep trying them.

I will be keen, to here how the U59 chip works out for you. If you have time drop me an e-mail at aalker@australand.com.au to up date me.

Thanks

Andy

They never seem to answer the phone but they do answer their e-mails.

This is the contact details that I have thus far. Mail to Duane Mitchell:

e-mail: ultimap@bigpond.com

Hope this helps

laters

simon

[ozzy andy]

Simon,

thank for the e mail address.

I would love to here how it goes installing the chip in your bike.

Andy

[marchesini]

Simon,

thank for the e mail address.

I would love to here how it goes installing the chip in your bike.

Andy

Check out this link from the US Monster site. A guy there bought a crashed bike with no keys or clocks (IIRC) and now races the bike. I think he is "Ducman851" and has bypassed the immobiliser with the FIM chip.

http://www.ducatimonster.org/smf/index.php/topic,9438.0.html

HTH

simon